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Who played the best mafia?

TheonlyrealBeef
1 (4.5%)
Linkcat
4 (18.2%)
PlayerOa
5 (22.7%)
Coffeeditto
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
Naesala
0 (0%)
worldwideweb3
2 (9.1%)
shockcannon
5 (22.7%)
iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
0 (0%)
killsdazombies
0 (0%)
serprex
1 (4.5%)
Naii_the_Baf
0 (0%)
andretimpa
4 (18.2%)
Calindu
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 12

Voting closed: September 18, 2020, 08:09:08 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302795#msg1302795
« Reply #684 on: September 05, 2020, 07:36:42 pm »
also what do you mean insistence? I've been waiting for 3 days for meaningfull content from anyone not timpa without nudging anyone and i can only remember shock posts (which at least tried to get somewhere)
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302797#msg1302797
« Reply #685 on: September 05, 2020, 07:52:52 pm »
You're right, I was a little mad at your implication that your 1 sentence posts were actively solving anything. Insistence was the wrong word, but I find it sketch that you're trying to position a three way thunderdome when were 2 lynches away from a loss. I'll concede that you knew andre got momentum, and that distances you enough. My memory isn't what it used to be, and before you mentioned it it was totally gone from it.

I'll collect and post my thoughts in a second. This mobile shit is a fucking nightmare to play this game. I'll turn ona hotspot and try and collect my thoughts on pc.

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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302800#msg1302800
« Reply #686 on: September 05, 2020, 08:47:22 pm »
Cards on the table. This is everything I know.

First Role : Amber Nymph - Target : None - Night ended before I could send it in. Thought I had another day. I'm stupid, sue me.

Second Role : Seraph - Target : None (myself?)

Third Role : Green Nymph - Target : Myself - Already claimed this, figured if I got vulture I could snag a good EoR ability, a poison would just be an unfortunate incident.

Fourth Role : Pheonix - Hence why I said my roles have been defensive.

Fifth Role :  I'll keep it to myself for now

I cannot confirm being targeted except for one night. That person is alive, and knows who they are.

Some thoughts
Andre, a now confirmed town GN, has backed me up A LOT. I'd wager they momentumed through my Seraph shield and green checked me. This obviously means nothing coming from me, but looking back at his read lists I jumped to V around n1/2. You can find credit in that if you want, or not Idc.

kaempfer13 - You have positioned yourself as something akin to the speaker for town, but as I stated before, your post count is inflated to hell. You have posted thoughts that I generally agree with, but they come in a 6 post burst, and it seems as though you are trying to claim all 160 posts or so of yours have been active solving. We both know thats not the case, and acting as such raises my suspicion. That being said, andre wasn't looking to make a move against you, and I'm willing to listen to them for now. Plus you voted in the round where literally 3 people voted.

PlayerOa - The most compelling thing about oa so far has been their reason for voting coffee. You yourself kae mentioned that the reasoning for this vote was... Odd.
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@kae: Switch with me on Naii, I really don't believe you are mafia and I don't want to vote on you. It's unlikely I'll be able to be online before the deadline as well.
I'm also willing to switch on Coffee if Oa switches with me.
Lynching Coffee is an interesting case because if he flips town, kaempfer's theory of Coffee/me as w/w can be debunked for good. If he flips mafia, though, I seem to be in a bad spot due to said theory - but I'd happily bow down as a consequence of hitting scum.
Why is this a priority for you? you said earlier that you townread coffee as well, so all this serves is to make you look better (actually regardless what coffee flips considering you would bus him on a whim if w/w), which is actually really scummy tbh. Its obv very hard to actually get votes on you as is, so town!you should be happy with that and focus on actually solving the game. If you dont think lynching coffee will bring us closer to the solution then dont suggest it.
I appreciate the support, but I have to question your motivation is.
So, first of all, I didn't suggest anything. This was a plain response to Calindu's request on moving the votes over to Coffee, which I never did. Secondly, I don't necessarily want to lynch Coffee. I've been (slightly) townreading him throughout the duration of this whole game, and while I don't believe he's scum, I can't ignore the fact there's a slight chance he is. The only scenario I can see myself lynching Coffee in, with todays game state, is self preservation tbh. So please don't imply killing Coffee is a priority for me when it's the opposite.

Naii flipping green surprises me. How did Ghost work with Fate Egg, again? Does it replace the Fate Egg role, or just the latest secondary for one cycle, or only potential Crusader/Vulture grabbed roles?
He claims self preservation here, but I don't think there was any real solid pressure on oa at all. Pressure from cali is almost nonexistent in the grand scheme of things given their 11 post count. I do however, believe their claim of Dejavu with moe on n1. If you insist on a thunderdome I dont think Oa should be a part of it. That doesn't mean I dont want to lynch oa, just not for that reason.

Coffeeditto - Recently AFK because of college.

Naesala - immortality claim checked by mw, and was confirmed.

shockcannon - An unusually quiet shock. They haven't even pursued their master plan, and while concocting some sort of plan is in their "Town playbook" They havent actually followed up on it at all. A flash in the pan without a vote or even a push.

Calindu - Doesn't post as usual, but also posted to say that not posting is something a town cali does which is annoying and sus. Further interesting is this post where cali pressured andre to claim a crusader hit.
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This is a terrible cover. In fact just saying that makes me light read you. "Look at me! I am the exact same as last game and I wasnt scum then, so i must not be scum this game!" cmon cal.

But this has been your motivation of voting in a previous mafia, "Oh look, Calindu plays similar to the way he played in a mafia game, so he must mafia".

Im pushing nae because they havent said much of anything. The more people who talk the more info we have to work with. Good or bad. If you wanna argue why i pushed Nae and not shock, ian, moe, or Naii then yea we can go back and forth on that. But im just trying to get some content here.

I don't argue about your push on Nae, I'm just not sure why your push was pretty much asking for a role reveal.

This tells me that you are either scum or really bad at this.

Why would I ever claim my info if I were mafia? Wouldn't it have been infinitely better to just keep it shut and not reveal my info if I were mafia, since I would know only you could know I targeted serp? I didn't force anyone to reveal with my own reveal, I just think getting the info out early can help in this type of setup.
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I'm more interested in andre's role, since he successfully targeted serp N0 and I do not see him mentioning his role.

Goals:

I want more posts from Cali, Nae and Shock

Coffee gets a pass for moving, I hope it goes well for you mate.

From cali I want : anything

From nae I want : A general take, it can be surface level, I just want some thoughts

From shock I want : Something not cryptic or dumb like putting the entire town into W

If coffee has the ability to I want : The thoughts you had when you voted  for the extension, and if those thoughts have changed since both flips.

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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302801#msg1302801
« Reply #687 on: September 05, 2020, 08:48:26 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302807#msg1302807
« Reply #688 on: September 05, 2020, 09:04:34 pm »
From nae I want : A general take, it can be surface level, I just want some thoughts

I'm about to start having a good time if people wanna help me out with that.

I think given andre had GN we can trust that, in general, the people andre was supporting are possibly people he's read.

I know I'm town. I can't prove I'm town. The closest I can provide is that I've been honest and upfront 100% of the time. I do as asked as I am doing now. I'm just not good at the game.

Coffee seems like a safe bet, but with them busy with college it's hard to get much to go on off of them.

KDZ and Oa seem to have had andre's general support but I don't know if he cleared either of them. They're both moderately helpful without going balls to the wall posting whatever.

Calindu is unhelpfully quiet an obtuse.

kaemp and shock are both annoyingly boistrous. Kaemp posts a thousand posts that say nothing, with just enough helpful info sprinkled in to make him seem towny, but I think he's scum and my gut has said scum for awhile. What trust I had in shock went away when they went full cryptic fingerpointing claiming themselves as already won and everyone else as mafia. Not helpful.

My gut says W: Kaemp/Calindu. But I don't trust anyone but coffee at this point.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302808#msg1302808
« Reply #689 on: September 05, 2020, 09:14:14 pm »
I suppose it doesnt hurt to claim it at this point anymore as its drawback has worn off, i healed kdz n2 (since healing andre wouldnt work that was my nextbest townread at the time). It looks like andre breadcrumbed ffq on kdz.
Amusingly I'm also deja vu with shock today (he hasnt logged in yet though or didnt care)
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302811#msg1302811
« Reply #690 on: September 05, 2020, 09:31:34 pm »
tbf to Oa he never actually did vote coffee and calindu pinged him asking to jump on coffee, to which he gave that somewhat odd response.
It's still a pretty bad reason to be sort of enthusiastic about a potential coffee lynch, but I should also ask calindu why he singled out oa as the switcher in that post:
@kae: Switch with me on Naii, I really don't believe you are mafia and I don't want to vote on you. It's unlikely I'll be able to be online before the deadline as well.
I'm also willing to switch on Coffee if Oa switches with me.
even if he wanted specifically someone from the naii train to switch with him why wouldnt he ask nae?

Also that post is either effective distancing or just not w/w.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302812#msg1302812
« Reply #691 on: September 05, 2020, 09:39:26 pm »
oops this was the votecount at the time so ignore the bit about Naii train

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Calindu (3) - Naii_the_Baf, killsdazombies, andretimpa
Coffeeditto (1) - kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Naesala

still odd to require specifically oa to switch, especially since timpa switching back to coffee would have the bigger impact overall and he acts like the votes on me were set in stone or the people dont exist?
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302814#msg1302814
« Reply #692 on: September 05, 2020, 10:20:18 pm »
No point in using deja vu when we can just talk to each other here. Since you now think I’m mafia again (which haven’t you always) and I also think (know) you’re mafia, there’s really no point is us talking. So I’ll address everyone else. I plan on voting kaempf again unless one of you can truly convince me that someone is a better lynch.

I will admit it’s more likely that kaempf isn’t Anubis, but doesn’t mean that he didn’t just give Andre momentum to gain town cred, knowing that his partner gave andre immaterial and they could just kill him at a later time.

Also right now, the two people pressuring me are kdz (who wants me to talk more even though I’ve given way more substance in my few posts than anyone else so far) and kaempf (who is telling me that I must be mafia in deja vu PMs). It’s funny because these are the exact two who I called out a whole day/night cycle ago as quite likely to be the remaining two mafia.

Also it appears everyone’s down now to chase down this mysterious Anubis, which I will remind everyone was my plan from the start. So if you’re dense enough to agree with my plan but then think that I’m the mafia then my words aren’t going to be enough to stop you from doom.

So either realize that my reads are not that far fetched or convince me that someone else is more likely to be mafia using real evidence. And if kdz and kaempf start ramping up the pressure on me, then I’ll feel even more certain about my guesses.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302816#msg1302816
« Reply #693 on: September 05, 2020, 10:45:35 pm »
So either realize that my reads are not that far fetched or convince me that someone else is more likely to be mafia using real evidence.
You've been given such and havent provided said thing yourself. Heck even if you are town your complete unwillingness to learn, reevaluate and actually adress what people are saying makes you a mandatory lynch period.
I wasnt gonna give oa a sense of security too early in case he was scum after all, hence why i told you in pm rather than in thread, but i guess its out now.
Also even if you believe in that world, kdz is the lynch that is mechanically correct at this point in time.
Also I cant believe you're not willing to talk to me in pms when you are allowed to. Seems like the thing town!you would want to get as much out of as possible. Afraid to give yourselves away further?
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302817#msg1302817
« Reply #694 on: September 05, 2020, 10:46:17 pm »
and no I will not bow to your demands of ceasing to scumread you.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302818#msg1302818
« Reply #695 on: September 05, 2020, 10:52:43 pm »
also remember that andre got a peek and thanks to me its impossible it was prevented, obv it didnt hit scum, but in case that player is alive it may impact your reads a lot. kdz claims it was him (i thought it was mw for some reason but i have to take a proper look at before and after n1 reads of timpa). I will go to bed before I look at that, but it really isnt sth that should be ignored and the more opinions we have on that the better.
I am very sure he didnt check me though considering his waffling about me and i figure he would have claimed in case it was calindu, so that narrows things down a bit.
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