Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp

[worldwideweb3]

Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anyways

[Coffeeditto]

Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anyways

Except now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.

[killsdazombies]

In my mind, a GN in the grave gives every vulture roll from here on out a permanent GN, which means for waiting one turn you get potentially multiple uses. Does it suck to a kill a gn, yeah probably, but its not like they were guaranteed to be town anyway, but the vultures, who also arent guaranteed to be town, will permanently be GNs, its like we can either take a temporary good thing now, or we can wait 2 night and have unlimited of a good thing. The way I see it is similar to what torb has been saying earlier, the longer we expect the game to go on, the better a n0 golden nymph kill is. I'd say the borderline is n5. If we think the game will go beyond n5, its almost exclusively good, if we think its less then 5, it probably isn't.

For the record, if I was a golden nymph tonight, I would happily offer up for potentially unlimited GN. But this all only works if we take it slowly and don't spam vig shots like kae is trying to justify on shock rn. If that's not the kind of game you all want then this conversation is pretty pointless anyway

So in my mind we either kill of a gn, and then basically drawgo every round until we reach cop inevitability, or we play as normal and a half dozen people die to vig shots.

[worldwideweb3]

Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anyways

Except now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.

But the GN has not been outed

[kaempfer13]

Well, given that everyone seems to say holster (which I consider stupid) or kill gn claim for vig, i suppose its become a debate of losing a peek + a townie ( rather than also the vigshot which you guys happily want to throw away) for all vultures becoming gn

[serprex]

I'm pro not holstering N0 vig, I just think kaempfer13 should be the target in that case

[killsdazombies]

I'm pro not holstering N0 vig, I just think kaempfer13 should be the target in that case

Lmao, a valid compromise

[Coffeeditto]

Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anyways

Except now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.

But the GN has not been outed

Serp has claimed and i addressed this multiple times.

[Linkcat]

Since it's almost deadline, I should mention that I will be using Divine Shield tonight so don't bother NKing me kthx.

[Naii_the_Baf]

Catching up while I can. Posting thoughts.

Mafia has no real reason to kill GN right now; it's just generating Vulture fodder and that's not good for them at all.

I believe claiming GN ASAP is strictly pro town, especially since it gives opportunity to any Crusaders present right now to get a GN role and mafia can't really get rid of GNs since roles change every night, unless they hit Crusader/Vulture in which case I believe generates more Vulture fodder. Not sure what the ordering of roles is when someone dies; if it was mentioned, please do me a favor and quote it. Also what role(s) Crusader gets when targeting someone with multiple roles. If mafia doesn't kill GN (which I don't think they will) I believe a GN lynch/vig to feed some Vultures N1 should be a good thing. Random vigging I do not agree with, though; vigs should be at least focused to a few people we know to be scum/useful Vulture targets. Random vigs will just mean town loses very quickly.

I think D1 GN hard claim is better than N0 claim, but oh well.

I believe this should be obvious, but I don't think anyone mentioned it and if they did then might as well just ignore me: Vultures and Crusader should target every night.

@shock: I believe this is just you being... well, you, but why claim who you are targetting tonight? I get that for this game because of roles chainging claiming and whatnot has a much lesser value, but still. What do you want to warn/tell us here?

I'm currently reading really fast and having a headache from three consecutive five-hour exams, one more coming up tomorrow. I'll fix whatever the heck this post causes when I'm done with these exams.

[worldwideweb3]

Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anyways

Except now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.

But the GN has not been outed

Serp has claimed and i addressed this multiple times.

I don’t think that was a serious claim

[Coffeeditto]

Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anyways

Except now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.

But the GN has not been outed

Serp has claimed and i addressed this multiple times.

I don’t think that was a serious claim

He hasn't retracted yet, is a likely vig target having claimed it and has made multiple posts referencing his PoV regarding being the GN. If he were not being serious, it would have been outted before now.