Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[Submachine]

Quick readlist:

TheonlyrealBeef - v
You gotta be almost always town to initiate a mass roleclaim.

kaempfer13 - v
Same as TorB, plus some contextual effort that would not make sense as mafia.

iancudorinmarian - N+
This is more like the town ian I'm used to seeing. He also has a confirmable role that he called attention to.

worldwideweb3 - N-
He claims to want protection, but it's not because he hides a power role (town doesn't let Bronya have effect anyway), and it's not because he's so focused on solving. One thing I know about him is he hates to lose, but he is casually fine with the state of things, instead of constantly trying to point out where he thinks town is wrong. He also had a consensual non-vote thing at EoD1 with DC. The only thing why he's not full w is because I would expect him to care more about defending his stance if he had a team behind him.

andretimpa - N-
Other than role shenanigans, I don't see much here. One of the lowest content posters. I personally find him less sus than DC, but watch that bite me in the back if he is actually maf and DC is not. >_<

killsdazombies - vv
We finally got confirmation that Durandal was town, so all hail the singular conf town we have. \o/

Coffeeditto - N+
Vigging dawn leans town for me. His frustration about not getting input is a legit town worry.

rob77dp - N-
I have fallen behind on his posts, but I get an N- vibe from him.

DoubleCapitals - w
He had a post where he straight up confirmed one of him/andre is lying. That knowledge is privvy to mafia, especially if said so confidently.

Calindu - N
I cannot do anything with such low content.

Ordered around, I think the mafs are in this group, in this order of likeliness:

• DC
• andre
• rob
• www3
• Cal

Note that this was a low effort readlist. I did not go back to cross-reference my thoughts, I just went purely off memory and gut.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

@Sub
Did you at least look at the EoD votes that were literally quoted in the post I quoted that stated why rob - DC is an unlikely team? I just do not see them on the same team, meaning sus on DC almost automatically makes rob town from my point of view.

Anyway, I see no reason to wait voting anymore. We're not going to find town among andre/DC.

DoubleCapitals (3) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, TheonlyrealBeef

[Submachine]

@Sub
Did you at least look at the EoD votes

Admittedly, no. But now I will, hang on.

[worldwideweb3]

@Sub
Did you at least look at the EoD votes that were literally quoted in the post I quoted that stated why rob - DC is an unlikely team? I just do not see them on the same team, meaning sus on DC almost automatically makes rob town from my point of view.

Anyway, I see no reason to wait voting anymore. We're not going to find town among andre/DC.

DoubleCapitals (3) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, TheonlyrealBeef

I still want to hear DCs targets, before solving the coffee/Andre thing before deciding on vote

[kaempfer13]

DoubleCapitals (4) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13

welp i did promise I would vote the one to post targets later (or not at all? please dont be like that). I see several questionable things from andre today as well though. he's in thunderdome with both dc and coffee simultaneously (unless coffee did use ability and was redirected by dc (wait for dc to claim before you say anything)), so even if we assume that both thunderdomes are v/w he's still likely scum.

[Submachine]

Day 1 has ended.

Spoiler for Final Vote Tally:

dawn to dusk (1) - killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (4) - Calindu, Coffeeditto, rob77dp, Submachine
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - moehrpi
worldwideweb3 (1) - andretimpa
shockcannon (6) - Naii_the_Baf, DoubleCapitals, MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Linkcat, TheonlyrealBeef
Submachine(1) - worldwideweb3
iancudorinmarian (2) - PlayerOa, kaempfer13

Looking at this, Cal, Coffee, rob and Sub all seem unlikely mafia suspects if the scum team truly consists of andre and DC. The later they boarded the DC wagon, the less credit they get for it if DC flips scum from my point of view.

If I adopted your read here and combined it with my list, that would narrow it down to www as the third maf member. However, early bussing is a thing, so I will not read too much into this.

[worldwideweb3]

You won’t find a maf in me, a maf www would’ve sealed the game by now :thumbs-up:

DoubleCapitals (4) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
Andretimpa(1) - worldwideweb3

I do not want to pile as I want to hear what DC has to say firdt.

[worldwideweb3]

One thing I wil say is that it is so risky using raden Mei, esp n0 and it doesn’t quite make sense as a mafia to use it. Inb4 TorB maf guiding as down wrong path, but at this point it’s GG anywyas

[TheonlyrealBeef]

What's so risky about using Raiden Mei? You screw up all the information people get from information roles and the doc target, this is really beneficial for mafia. For town, you get a possible redirect of the nightkill from town to mafia, or simply to protect a power role. This is really beneficial to town.
In this case, mafia appears to merely have wanted to give mafia Seele the ability of Raiden Mei, hence the use of the ability N0. andre's reasoning for using it N0 is bull. moe using Durandal on DC was probably just a stroke of luck, that backfired when we combined our information.

If I were maf, the only reason not to NK moe N1, is if I knew Linkcat was Theresa through Core of Reason and moe would be on cooldown anyway, meaning he could be NK-ed N2. Yet he lived until N3, and his input was required to out andre and DC as scum.

[worldwideweb3]

What's so risky about using Raiden Mei? You screw up all the information people get from information roles and the doc target, this is really beneficial for mafia. For town, you get a possible redirect of the nightkill from town to mafia, or simply to protect a power role. This is really beneficial to town.
In this case, mafia appears to merely have wanted to give mafia Seele the ability of Raiden Mei, hence the use of the ability N0. andre's reasoning for using it N0 is bull. moe using Durandal on DC was probably just a stroke of luck, that backfired when we combined our information.

If I were maf, the only reason not to NK moe N1, is if I knew Linkcat was Theresa through Core of Reason and moe would be on cooldown anyway, meaning he could be NK-ed N2. Yet he lived until N3, and his input was required to out andre and DC as scum.

Risky as in once found you’ll be killed.

[DoubleCapitals]

Andre <-> TorB to protect andre.

Kae @ just lynching the one who claims second, sounds good, doesn't work, not my fault that I miss EoD but also miss SoD for this? Also I saw your post on my lying about rate up being a lie. I was tryna bait the good roles to come visit me, alright? I almost succeeded...

TorB I told you who I said mafia would be, I say lynch andre first and foremost obviously. If scum isn't in top 4 I'll eat my hat

Andre
Coffee
ian
Cal
Sub/TorB/rob/kae/w3
kdz

@Sub no shit? Andre's lying, I'm truthing, I don't see how that's a scumtell?

DoubleCapitals (4) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
andretimpa(2) - worldwideweb3, DoubleCapitals

To reiterate, you should lynch andre over me, because he's the stupid who used his role N0, even though we have had established we shouldn't use it, he's probably claimed being targetted by Coffee for brownie points, and he called me expendable and hurt my fragile feelings :< Also denied me of my dura, das why you get reverse swept

Like come on guys, town!andre wouldn't rando Raiden N0 would he?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Even now we don't know whom the Raiden Mei targets really were. Ironically, the ideal targets for town and mafia Raiden Mei are almost the same. The only difference is that mafia will already know whom the targets are and get an almost guaranteed Nightkill. Mafia can use it to shade likely town or move vigs/Durandal from mafia/shady town to likely town and claim they were just trying to protect that town member.