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Please check all hours that would work for you as the deadline for each phase.

0 GMT
8 (5.7%)
1 GMT
7 (5%)
2 GMT
7 (5%)
3 GMT
7 (5%)
4 GMT
7 (5%)
5 GMT
4 (2.8%)
6 GMT
4 (2.8%)
7 GMT
4 (2.8%)
8 GMT
4 (2.8%)
9 GMT
5 (3.5%)
10 GMT
5 (3.5%)
11 GMT
4 (2.8%)
12 GMT
3 (2.1%)
13 GMT
2 (1.4%)
14 GMT
3 (2.1%)
15 GMT
4 (2.8%)
16 GMT
3 (2.1%)
17 GMT
5 (3.5%)
18 GMT
9 (6.4%)
19 GMT
9 (6.4%)
20 GMT
11 (7.8%)
21 GMT
9 (6.4%)
22 GMT
9 (6.4%)
23 GMT
8 (5.7%)

Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:29:25 pm

Poll

What kind of setup do you want to see next?

Run the standard setup with minor adjustments.
7 (26.9%)
Run a closed setup designed by Linkcat.
8 (30.8%)
Run a game with all Fate Eggs.
7 (26.9%)
Run an even sillier game just to mess around.
4 (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 13

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:47:45 pm

Poll

What to do about Who's Online?

Allow free use of it.
9 (52.9%)
Ban use of it during the last couple hours of each phase.
3 (17.6%)
Ban use of it completely.
5 (29.4%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 11:26:23 pm

Poll

Who played the best mafia?

Linkcat
1 (2.5%)
TheonlyrealBeef
16 (40%)
shockcannon
0 (0%)
PlayerOa
1 (2.5%)
iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
worldwideweb3
1 (2.5%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
0 (0%)
dawn_to_dusk
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
6 (15%)
Submachine
0 (0%)
killsdazombies
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
7 (17.5%)
rob77dp
3 (7.5%)
DoubleCapitals
1 (2.5%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Naii_the_Baf
0 (0%)
moehrpi13
4 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:51:45 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301109#msg1301109
« Reply #1464 on: July 21, 2020, 12:33:13 am »
Oh btw kdz, did you ever claim your role?
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301110#msg1301110
« Reply #1465 on: July 21, 2020, 12:34:05 am »
I half expected you to claim Durandal.  :sillyspin:
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301111#msg1301111
« Reply #1466 on: July 21, 2020, 12:34:31 am »

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301112#msg1301112
« Reply #1467 on: July 21, 2020, 12:38:48 am »
they can start off by telling their night actions :D

I tried to redirect the NK, but thought they'd go for rob first. My targets were DC + rob.

@andretimpa, DoubleCapitals
Tell me why I should be voting Submachine today instead of one of you.

Why would you go after Sub when DC is clearly lying about his targets? (iirc kae caught that last night)

As a side note, I got targetted by Coffee :(

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301113#msg1301113
« Reply #1468 on: July 21, 2020, 02:41:07 am »
As a side note, I got targetted by Coffee :(

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301114#msg1301114
« Reply #1469 on: July 21, 2020, 04:21:16 am »
What a quiet day phase this has been. I was really hoping for more fireworks, more showmanship. I brought popcorn and everything.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301115#msg1301115
« Reply #1470 on: July 21, 2020, 06:11:44 am »
@andretimpa, DoubleCapitals
Tell me why I should be voting Submachine today instead of one of you.

Why would you go after Sub when DC is clearly lying about his targets? (iirc kae caught that last night)

As a side note, I got targetted by Coffee :(
Maaaaybe you should still be interested in solving whom the mafia team is if you are town? Just saying.

As a side note: that is excellent news. If Coffee vigs you while you're town, we just found lying scum. In every other situation Coffee is town, though.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301116#msg1301116
« Reply #1471 on: July 21, 2020, 06:36:57 am »
Solved game, btw.
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killsdazombies - confirmed by town Durandal
kaempfer13 - solving
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Submachine - I've gone into specifics before, he's felt off all game. If rest is town, this is simple PoE
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301117#msg1301117
« Reply #1472 on: July 21, 2020, 06:49:07 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301118#msg1301118
« Reply #1473 on: July 21, 2020, 07:11:58 am »
torb, specifics, repeat them for me. I probably missed them.~
First is that I think the rest is simply townier. The thought process I've been going through to solve the third mafia has been posted here:
Spoiler for quote:
I've been trying to analyze lynch votes to see if it could help determine a third mafia to fit a DC/timpa team.
Day 1 has ended.

Spoiler for Final Vote Tally:
dawn to dusk (1) - killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (4) - Calindu, Coffeeditto, rob77dp, Submachine
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - moehrpi
worldwideweb3 (1) - andretimpa
shockcannon (6) - Naii_the_Baf, DoubleCapitals, MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Linkcat, TheonlyrealBeef
Submachine(1) - worldwideweb3
iancudorinmarian (2) - PlayerOa, kaempfer13

Night 1 will begin shortly. Please wait warmly.
Looking at this, Cal, Coffee, rob and Sub all seem unlikely mafia suspects if the scum team truly consists of andre and DC. The later they boarded the DC wagon, the less credit they get for it if DC flips scum from my point of view.
Day 2 has ended. Again.

Spoiler for Final Vote Tally:
iancudorinmarian (2) - andretimpa, killsdazombies
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (4) - worldwideweb3, PlayerOa, TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
MasterWalks (3) - Calindu, DoubleCapitals, moehrpi
DoubleCapitals (2) - Coffeeditto, rob77dp

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timpa voted ian, from the flow of votes it seems to have been with intent to kill. Additional town points for Coffee and rob if DC flips scum.

Looking at lynch voting it seems I was wrong, Coffee (and rob) just don't fit a DC team. I was already town leaning them before and kaempfer13 and moehrpi get town reads from me for solving. andre and DC both had their votes on w3 for a while day 1, so that does not make a lot of sense for me either.
kdz has to be town if we assume moehrpi is town, only an exact team of andre, moehrpi and kdz allows him to be scum from my point of view (the DC Seele logic means maf moe requires that redirect). Still, moehrpi would have had no reason to reveal the N0 redirect.
Coffee and rob could potentially fit an andre team, but this option only feels worth exploring after andre flips scum and DC flips town. More importantly, rob should already have been NK-ed by then. My ability is practically useless now, making only moe higher priority to NK.
ian and Sub seem like the best fits if andre and DC both flip mafia. ian's claim of being able to target two players other than himself is meaningless when you have two Raiden mafia buddies.
I mentioned Coffee before, but I really liked his response to a self-vig idea to prevent mislynch and looking at lynch wagons again, he just doesn't make sense to me in a DC team.
But before that, the specifics you were likely referring to are:
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Well, I did promise a read list.
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Hey, um, Link. I just want to get it out of the way for transparency's sake. I get the feeling that you are a bit unmotivated. I will not say that is scummy, and I will not compare it to previous games. But can you explain why you are keeping a low profile this time? I believe it is for the greater good if everybody heard your explanation, if you have any.
You can also try to keep a low profile because you have a power role like Link did. Fishy fishy?
Finally people are realizing that www has been playing scummy so far. There is only one logical scenario where I can imagine www doing this as town, but this is not the way to do it, and he should rather take inspiration from shockcannon in that case.
I am still waiting for an explanation on why you think w3 is scum, Sub. Right now, this seems like a very opportunistic vote, potentially to try and start a competing wagon to save a mafia buddy.

The overall read is still neutral, but you'll have to forgive me for being extremely skeptical after last game :P
Ugh, Sub inactive is really annoying. His opportunistic vote on w3 is really bothering me. I have theories where they are an attempt to form a serious counter-wagon to save at least one mafia buddy (MW or DC), but they are all moot until one of them flips scum. Because I think the three way tie on MW/DC/w3 was one of the more interesting moments to analyze lynch wagon movements. Early vote on ian D2 was also partially to poke around Link's theory of an ian/DC team, but at the moment I am more inclined towards an MW/Sub team. Both Sub and MW seem to have been fishing for info roles in their own way. And this?
Rob: Been vocal about this already. Gut feeling about Link NK
This part holds just as true -or even more so- for Sub, from my point of view. Of course, that would not be convenient to mention of a mafia buddy.

The third member might be DC or deep town.

But shading people that aren't even around to defend themselves, blegh. Just wanted to throw my motivations and thoughts out there in the not unlikely case I get NK-ed.
I was wrong about MW, but I can fit andre in there instead.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301119#msg1301119
« Reply #1474 on: July 21, 2020, 07:25:10 am »
Nah, I was just legit sus of Linkcat. And surely I would not think of endgame consequences and come directly to the rescue of a mafia teammate on the first day. And I didn't really promise an incoming read list of www, I was referring to things I have already said at that point.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1301120#msg1301120
« Reply #1475 on: July 21, 2020, 07:33:15 am »
Well, there's still over a week left to do your own solving of a different mafia team before you're being seriously considered for a lynch vote, regardless. I'm just stopping my brain wracking over potential teams here, for now.

 

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