Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[Coffeeditto]

Had to come back to post one more.... (and I see DC is feeling the heat!)

ShowerThoughts^(TM):
If DC is scum, then as a somewhat vocal player this game and someone carrying around a scumread of DC and trying to lynch him more than once ---- why am I still alive? (Could be a bit narcissistic but that's the thought: if it is DC as part of the team then why kill Link on N1 without trying to kill me?) Hmmmmm. Anyway, hopefully you stay active posting this Night + Day phase DC - if you're town then it only helps us try to see that in your posts and not kill you and if you're scum well you can only risk exposing teammates or finding some quality lolcatting to contribute a little of.

me too
but this makes us both look like we're on a team with DC
but then why bus him?
it seems like DC is just scum seele//raiden to me and this only confirms my earlier suspicions.

i will have to read back to see andre's reactions, I had townread a lot of his reads but thinking back maybe it was coasting? idk not sure give me some time

what's my ability usage looking like tonight friends

[kaempfer13]

Alright, I do want the massclaim after all and I want to claim last. Not because I'm looking for roles to hide as but because I have insight that at least one person is lying and may catch more.
Trust me you'll see once I reveal.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

@rob
Raiden Mei redirects everything, so say Fu Hua targets me and no one targets ian. You nightkill ian and use Raiden Mei on me and ian. The result is ian getting targeted by Fu Hua and me being dead. Medic save bypassed.

Alright, I do want the massclaim after all and I want to claim last. Not because I'm looking for roles to hide as but because I have insight that at least one person is lying and may catch more.
Trust me you'll see once I reveal.

I am okay with this.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

what's my ability usage looking like tonight friends

Unless Raiden and Seele are both town, or all three of you are scum, you cannot rely on hitting the proper target. Do not use. We have a lot of info now, but I do not think we can rely on our roles to vig mafia this game.

[Calindu]

I'm Liliya Olenyeva.

I know it will look scummy, but I fully intent to protect myself from the Coffee/ian plan, if it comes to that. I don't trust that Coffee is not mafia, and the plan to trade me and another person of ian's choosing(since deciding the target in the thread is bound to fail) to confirm him feels really bad. Not worth trading 2 civvies to confirm one.

what's my ability usage looking like tonight friends

Unless Raiden and Seele are both town, or all three of you are scum, you cannot rely on hitting the proper target. Do not use. We have a lot of info now, but I do not think we can rely on our roles to vig mafia this game.

I'm not sure if this is exactly how it works, but if he's redirected, it would be his first shot on anyone it redirects to but me, so it shouldn't vig them, right?

Here's a basic readlist as well

vv

kdz

v

TorB
kae
moe

n+

ian
rob

n

Sub
www3

n-

w

timpa
Coffee
DC

ww

[TheonlyrealBeef]

what's my ability usage looking like tonight friends

Unless Raiden and Seele are both town, or all three of you are scum, you cannot rely on hitting the proper target. Do not use. We have a lot of info now, but I do not think we can rely on our roles to vig mafia this game.

I'm not sure if this is exactly how it works, but if he's redirected, it would be his first shot on anyone it redirects to but me, so it shouldn't vig them, right?

Right, but if Raiden/Seele are scum and Coffee is town, agreeing on a target allows Cecilia to be redirected onto you, killing you.

[Calindu]

what's my ability usage looking like tonight friends

Unless Raiden and Seele are both town, or all three of you are scum, you cannot rely on hitting the proper target. Do not use. We have a lot of info now, but I do not think we can rely on our roles to vig mafia this game.

I'm not sure if this is exactly how it works, but if he's redirected, it would be his first shot on anyone it redirects to but me, so it shouldn't vig them, right?

Right, but if Raiden/Seele are scum and Coffee is town, agreeing on a target allows Cecilia to be redirected onto you, killing you.

Well, he can probably target someone else at random then, and hope that the ability is not redirected. Also, if they use the ability like that, they can't redirect the NK as well, unless they have both Seele and Raiden.

[moehrpi]

The only way I see TorB as trying to ridiculously play this Emma claim as mafia would be if Durandal is also scum or if Durandal would be DEAD already. The latter hasn't happened and the former (Durandal!moe and Emma!TorB both being scum) seems SO SO SO far fetched for the timing as scum have town on the ropes a little bit, no way that scum duo goes crazy fancy play for no reason at this stage. I am all in ride-or-die moving forward as TorB's claim 100% true. I know this was already the general thread direction, but I want to put it out there for clarity. I'm also all-in on buying moe's claim as real.

Me townreading you also stems from my role. I had a strong idea that you were Emma and therefore townreading me. I still don't fully grasp your read but now I can focus my thoughts in another direction.

I go to sleep, and I come back and people wanna lynch me, what's new?

Yeah TorB's right, I'm Seele, I got slapped N0 with Raiden, and I didn't use my ability all game, because that would be stupid, and I already implied I didn't since D1, because I said it would be stupid. I coulda saved people, but I knew that the OG Raiden was being stupid and I didn't wanna contribute to that mess and I didn't know the implications if I picked the same targets or something.

N0: Oa and DC. Even tho there is no NK, we still have Rozalya to worry about. Oa looked like someone that wouldn't be a doc top priority (I'd say Link and rob were these), but still useful to town - (which is more or less the reasoning for the N0 in last game). DC on the other hand seemed expendable (mostly shitposts there).

Expendable? Excuse me? Plus I finally got a shiny fun role and you, you had to take it all away from me... Sucks even more backreading and realised I coulda been the second Dura too... bah :/.

Since MW is dead, Coffee/ian/timpa then, calling it. Probably all this new info is certainly not gonna help my case, but if I count correct we got at least 2 mislynches left so, eh. I'm sure even I'm the next mislynch we're gonna win anyway /shrug

Scum could also see the risk of town!Seele getting a power role and giving them Raiden instead. This significantly decreases the probability of Core of Lightning. This in return would mean we need to worry about Core of Death more. I'm not sure what roles can prevent this. Yae Sakura is dangerous to play with.

Alright, I do want the massclaim after all and I want to claim last. Not because I'm looking for roles to hide as but because I have insight that at least one person is lying and may catch more.
Trust me you'll see once I reveal.

I'm game. You're smart enough to know ou have to deliver.


To put it in words: andre is my biggest scumread at this moment.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

what's my ability usage looking like tonight friends

Unless Raiden and Seele are both town, or all three of you are scum, you cannot rely on hitting the proper target. Do not use. We have a lot of info now, but I do not think we can rely on our roles to vig mafia this game.

I'm not sure if this is exactly how it works, but if he's redirected, it would be his first shot on anyone it redirects to but me, so it shouldn't vig them, right?

Right, but if Raiden/Seele are scum and Coffee is town, agreeing on a target allows Cecilia to be redirected onto you, killing you.

Well, he can probably target someone else at random then, and hope that the ability is not redirected. Also, if they use the ability like that, they can't redirect the NK as well, unless they have both Seele and Raiden.

N0 Raiden makes the most sense if you wanted Seele to get Raiden from my point of view. Your current scum reads are also Seele and Raiden, so I do not want to give a plausible excuse of being redirected.

@moehrpi
How would scum know DC was Seele again? Cocalia flipped town, so they should not have known?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Also, does everyone remember the timings of the clarifications of multiple Raidens intersecting? I think we can read something into this as well. Town DC asking for this clarification via pms does not seem very likely, and no one else should have known there were two Raidens at that point unless DC is scum. Galaxy brain read right there

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Ok, here's my current summary on the situation that people can refer to should I get killed.

My current guess on the scum team is, in order of likelihood:

• andretimpa
• DoubleCapitals
• CoffeeDitto

If anyone not on that list has concrete evidence of a third mafia in favor of Coffee, my following plan for this night will be void. The plan is to give the entire auspected scum team a chance to redeem themselves. If I die, they failed at that and you should probably stick to lynching that team.

andretimpa: target moehrpi and Calindu
DoubleCapitals: target TheonlyrealBeef and Calindu
Coffeeditto: target Calindu
Calindu: use Flash Counter

The only way I can see us not lynching Coffee tomorrow is if someone has a concrete lead on a different scum member or he kills himself. Killing yourself instead of mislynch is a pro town move.

[worldwideweb3]

COFFEE, DO NOT USE ABILITY IF YPU ARE TOWN