Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[kaempfer13]

for the 100th time that specific scenario instantly outs a scumrole so while there is a high chance the rolesearcher is town and alive that just wont happen

[kaempfer13]

+ they need to know your next target beforehand as well

[Coffeeditto]

for the 100th time that specific scenario instantly outs a scumrole so while there is a high chance the rolesearcher is town and alive that just wont happen

i think you're closer to the 2nd or maybe 3rd time

but valid point. any suggestions for targets? i might just go on dc or cal

[kaempfer13]

I prefer cal out of those for obv reasons

[rob77dp]

If you have any decent scum reads, feel free to share. We’ve lost 4 towns so far, 5 after the night most likely. Our “scum reads” clearly haven’t been successful so far, and I do not want to put a kill in coffees hands at this stage, on a person that we are not sure if mafia or not.

I sort of agree for a roundabout reason: I don't want to put the capacity for a redirect off of an agreed Cecilia target into a mafia!raiden's hands if it does exist. In that same vein, like I mentioned earlier but we all missed because it was EoD madness, sky has pretty much confirmed that if a maf!Kallan exists (as ian) and raiden drives away from him the night we want to 'mechanically confirm' ian as town, it would show as ian not targetting himself and thus appear he is town. I'm still not sure what we all want to do, in this case. I think it would be better not to try and use both ian and I's abilities for some roundabout confirming stuff because there's too much potential for things to head south (worst case scenario is losing 2 town and not confirming anything other than possibly maf!raiden or ian town kind of).

okay we're like 2 hours out can anyone give any opinion

So what's the plan for my ability tonight? I would prefer not to use it at all, considering if we wanted me to use it both tonight and tomorrow night a mafia raiden could bus me onto my first target if we out both targets. I would rather not target anyone tonight to circumvent this.

I could make a suggestion but it would give scum clues how to stop it... But my idea has two parts and they're both contained within your thinking-out-loud ideas there. 

Use it or don't use it... your choice in MY OPINION. Others should weigh in I guess. IF YOU USE IT, then plan to use it without broadcasting your targets. That opens up to scum tampering. Repeatedly asking for a consensus on a specific target is just asking for trouble I think. Target players in the POE that could possibly end up living a while... as soon as you broadcast who you will target OR someone outs they were hit by you once then scum will know where to go for trying to get another kill (all the various "if they are town" / "if they are scum" caveats apply to all this of course).

My gist being, don't broadcast your target... but be smart about it. And be prepared to have a great defense/reasoning for your target choice later. Also be ready to stop using it if we get into situations where it might be risky - but as of now there is no way using it once tonigth could kill anyone. /cheers.

[Coffeeditto]

If you have any decent scum reads, feel free to share. We’ve lost 4 towns so far, 5 after the night most likely. Our “scum reads” clearly haven’t been successful so far, and I do not want to put a kill in coffees hands at this stage, on a person that we are not sure if mafia or not.

I sort of agree for a roundabout reason: I don't want to put the capacity for a redirect off of an agreed Cecilia target into a mafia!raiden's hands if it does exist. In that same vein, like I mentioned earlier but we all missed because it was EoD madness, sky has pretty much confirmed that if a maf!Kallan exists (as ian) and raiden drives away from him the night we want to 'mechanically confirm' ian as town, it would show as ian not targetting himself and thus appear he is town. I'm still not sure what we all want to do, in this case. I think it would be better not to try and use both ian and I's abilities for some roundabout confirming stuff because there's too much potential for things to head south (worst case scenario is losing 2 town and not confirming anything other than possibly maf!raiden or ian town kind of).

okay we're like 2 hours out can anyone give any opinion

So what's the plan for my ability tonight? I would prefer not to use it at all, considering if we wanted me to use it both tonight and tomorrow night a mafia raiden could bus me onto my first target if we out both targets. I would rather not target anyone tonight to circumvent this.

I could make a suggestion but it would give scum clues how to stop it... But my idea has two parts and they're both contained within your thinking-out-loud ideas there. 

Use it or don't use it... your choice in MY OPINION. Others should weigh in I guess. IF YOU USE IT, then plan to use it without broadcasting your targets. That opens up to scum tampering. Repeatedly asking for a consensus on a specific target is just asking for trouble I think. Target players in the POE that could possibly end up living a while... as soon as you broadcast who you will target OR someone outs they were hit by you once then scum will know where to go for trying to get another kill (all the various "if they are town" / "if they are scum" caveats apply to all this of course).

My gist being, don't broadcast your target... but be smart about it. And be prepared to have a great defense/reasoning for your target choice later. Also be ready to stop using it if we get into situations where it might be risky - but as of now there is no way using it once tonigth could kill anyone. /cheers.

I like this response a lot. +towncred for rob here

i will use it tonight, then. i will also refrain from double tapping it upon input from others tomorrow.

[rob77dp]

@timpa REZ: reads--

what's scummy about kdz breadposting, in your opinion? He did it quite a bit last game as a town power role... perhaps that's the case again. Perhaps he is scum. But why do you give a scum-bump to him for it?

that is a pretty terrible read explanation by MW for his U-turn townread on me.......... maybe you should have voted on a viable wagon at EOD2 such as MW's where Coffee and I were looking for takers at EOD? 

you should really start trying to read me based on my abundance of posts... pretty please? Unless Durandal is town and has an itch to scratch and decides to target me. Unless unless I am Durandal. Now that's some fun WIFOM for a WIFOM-enthusiast like myself.

[moehrpi]

vv
Oa

v
TorB
ian (from n)
Coffee

n+
kae

n
rob: I can't seem to work him out...

x/n(-)
worldwideweb3
andretimpa
killsdazombies
MasterWalks
DoubleCapitals
Calindu

xx
Sub

Still no reads on half the people. This time order is slightly descending. But not much to read in there. I didn't even attempt to make sense of the lynch logs either. That might explain why DC  is not listed very high which conflicts with kae's analysis.

[andretimpa]

@timpa REZ: reads--

what's scummy about kdz breadposting, in your opinion? He did it quite a bit last game as a town power role... perhaps that's the case again. Perhaps he is scum. But why do you give a scum-bump to him for it?

I just don't like having so little to actually form a read on him. Breadposting is fine, as long as there's some posts with content together. It's to some extent the same problem I have with Cal.

that is a pretty terrible read explanation by MW for his U-turn townread on me.......... maybe you should have voted on a viable wagon at EOD2 such as MW's where Coffee and I were looking for takers at EOD? 

Yeah, I was tunelling on ian and needed some time to think over his claim. For D3 I'm willing to vote on my n- reads and MW is the most solid one I have.

you should really start trying to read me based on my abundance of posts... pretty please? Unless Durandal is town and has an itch to scratch and decides to target me. Unless unless I am Durandal. Now that's some fun WIFOM for a WIFOM-enthusiast like myself.

I think it'll be easier to get a read on you as we get more voting patterns and correlations start popping up, for now it all looks NAI.

[worldwideweb3]

I’m still against the use because I don’t trust coffee to be a conf town.

[Coffeeditto]

I’m still against the use because I don’t trust coffee to be a conf town.

if i use the ability to kill again and it flips town, you can lynch me.

[rob77dp]

www3 - keep in mind Coffee isn't able to _kill_ anyone with it this night. Also, maybe he will decide not to use it tonight?

My scumreads rn:
MW > DC > www3/Cal/kdz > moe > ian

townreads are Oa > TorB > timpa/coffee/kae

If I die, that's the list I'm speaking and yelling at you all from the grave... A bit rushed so if I forgot someone they're _probably_ in my neutral area. OK thank GLGL.