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Please check all hours that would work for you as the deadline for each phase.

0 GMT
8 (5.7%)
1 GMT
7 (5%)
2 GMT
7 (5%)
3 GMT
7 (5%)
4 GMT
7 (5%)
5 GMT
4 (2.8%)
6 GMT
4 (2.8%)
7 GMT
4 (2.8%)
8 GMT
4 (2.8%)
9 GMT
5 (3.5%)
10 GMT
5 (3.5%)
11 GMT
4 (2.8%)
12 GMT
3 (2.1%)
13 GMT
2 (1.4%)
14 GMT
3 (2.1%)
15 GMT
4 (2.8%)
16 GMT
3 (2.1%)
17 GMT
5 (3.5%)
18 GMT
9 (6.4%)
19 GMT
9 (6.4%)
20 GMT
11 (7.8%)
21 GMT
9 (6.4%)
22 GMT
9 (6.4%)
23 GMT
8 (5.7%)

Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:29:25 pm

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What kind of setup do you want to see next?

Run the standard setup with minor adjustments.
7 (26.9%)
Run a closed setup designed by Linkcat.
8 (30.8%)
Run a game with all Fate Eggs.
7 (26.9%)
Run an even sillier game just to mess around.
4 (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 13

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:47:45 pm

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What to do about Who's Online?

Allow free use of it.
9 (52.9%)
Ban use of it during the last couple hours of each phase.
3 (17.6%)
Ban use of it completely.
5 (29.4%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 11:26:23 pm

Poll

Who played the best mafia?

Linkcat
1 (2.5%)
TheonlyrealBeef
16 (40%)
shockcannon
0 (0%)
PlayerOa
1 (2.5%)
iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
worldwideweb3
1 (2.5%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
0 (0%)
dawn_to_dusk
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
6 (15%)
Submachine
0 (0%)
killsdazombies
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
7 (17.5%)
rob77dp
3 (7.5%)
DoubleCapitals
1 (2.5%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Naii_the_Baf
0 (0%)
moehrpi13
4 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:51:45 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300612#msg1300612
« Reply #1044 on: July 14, 2020, 10:36:22 pm »
I mean, thats kinda exactly what we need to happen in order to confirm ian in the first place though (and raiden interference would confirm the raidenrole to be in hands ofscum anyway). Why are you suddenly so opposed to using your ability adter you barely gave d2d a chance before?
Because I misvigged d2d and I am concerned I will misvig again. If I don’t follow a rest-of-town approved target, I could just be shooting wild like with D2D. I don’t want to repeat a mistake. How would we confirm ian without having 2 people die? is it worth it to confirm him as a clear with two other people dying? what if I or he dies or gets lynched before then, or the mafia interfere with roleblocking ian and making him look scum? I see many flaws here.

So you’re saying that I should hit a random and not tell anybody, and ask the person I hit not to out that I hit them.
Also noone is forcing you to tell your next target beforehand
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300613#msg1300613
« Reply #1045 on: July 14, 2020, 10:37:14 pm »
Also noone is forcing you to tell your next target beforehand

So you’re saying that I should hit a random and not tell anybody, and ask the person I hit not to out that I hit them.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300614#msg1300614
« Reply #1046 on: July 14, 2020, 10:47:07 pm »
Just ignore a potential Raiden Mei and let Emma track down Raiden Mei. If Raiden interferes, a mafia is now exposed. If Raiden is town, a semi-doc is now known to Emma. Unless someone knows of a role that is almost certainly mafia for Emma to target?

Durandal gets to use ability again, really hoping that has more luck than the lynches so far.

For Cecilia and Kallen I would prefer no ability usage, possibly with Frederica keeping an eye on them to ensure no abilities or Honkai Cores are used.

I really hope Sub isn't scum Bronya pretending to be inactive.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300615#msg1300615
« Reply #1047 on: July 14, 2020, 10:50:38 pm »
Durandal, you are our only hope :cwy:

Also, when should we consider a mass role claim? is there any benefits to it?
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300622#msg1300622
« Reply #1048 on: July 14, 2020, 11:23:05 pm »
Durandal, you are our only hope :cwy:

Also, when should we consider a mass role claim? is there any benefits to it?
We should ideally wait until we lynch or vighit 1 mafia, such that there are 2 left. At that point, we can ask for ability usage or information gathered and either look for ccs if mafia lies about their roles or analyze/fact check the interactions between roles and people.
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300623#msg1300623
« Reply #1049 on: July 14, 2020, 11:59:29 pm »
Wow, missed EoD and that was a lot to catch up on.

First off. Yall had missed this whole post? cuz you guys never moved my vote off rob. @kae, when you do kaevision, please fix it to me voting on coffee.
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MW - what is this? You're scumreading me because Link was the NK?? That doesn't compute (trying to avoid WIFOM scenarios here, but eh)... you have no other stronger scumleans or suspiciouns at this point now that shock is dead whom you say you scumread for redirecting kae on N0 as now-flipped-town!Rita-shock? Then you don't really want to lynch either of moe or myself, your top two scumreads... What gives? Seems quite shaky to me... but it is certainly appreciated (or more) that you're putting things out there [alignment TBD].

You engaging in this much conversation is making me townlean you now. I do still feel iffy about you and the link NK but your engagement outweighs that.

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PlayerOa: Willing to bet duran woulda left some sorta hint after Oa was investigated if he was Maf.

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TORB: Laid the gameplan out early on. Engaged and very towny. I still believe that as knowledgeable he is about everything, that could be due to having another pad to discuss this. Only reason hes not in V.
Kaempf: Open about being targetted. Helpful and acts pretty normal.
KDZ: Honestly seems kinda confused, going with the flow. Maybe under the radar a bit but is seeming pretty normal.

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Rob: Been vocal about this already. Gut feeling about Link NK but i didnt want to list him in the everyone else catagory.
Cal, Naii: Inactivity is scummy at this point in the game. Cal literally has less posts than shock, the first kill.
Sub: Suspiciously confused. Maybe im remembering too much from early early game but man, really unlike you.

N--
Coffee: REALLY dont like the promise to protect then failing to do so. Almost feels like you said you would so that he didnt get targeted by anything else as to not disrupt the kill. Like roleswapping or not, thats kinda scummy thing to do. Also, id like to point out him telling info roles to not reveal anything. There are only 3 mafia this game. A mafia kill now would set us FAR ahead. Info roles could be killed off before sharing as we are already 3 town down.



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Secondly, i town lean ian much more now. His timing is odd sure but it also isnt. I think EoD is the best time to role claim. Most people are active and youll get most discussion.

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Just got back home, why are we voting down MW?
ian claimed kallen kaslana and is thus mechanically confirmable eventually and w3 doesnt want his cws lynched which imo means he's town regardless of their alignements, see above why I think dc is town and mw is just the only semiviable wagon fmpov

^this right here and no rebuttal to it means we have 0 info. No one has anything to go off of besides 2(?) role claims. So, why wouldnt you guys info lynch? Ya aint gonna get any info off lynching me, i havent breadcrumbed. Why not lynch someone who has the potential to give off some info, at least in the smallest amount, so we have something to base our next day off? idk who would be the best lynch for that but i dont think its me or really Naii.
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300624#msg1300624
« Reply #1050 on: July 15, 2020, 12:03:20 am »
Why would you even Town lean ian just because he said what his role is?
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300625#msg1300625
« Reply #1051 on: July 15, 2020, 12:06:10 am »
Why would you even Town lean ian just because he said what his role is?

Issa confirm-able role that could be used very very wrongly. Also, while i dont agree on his torb scum read, i dont blame him for picking you and torb. You always die first and he just picked his biggest read (torb i guess) as the other person to die.
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300626#msg1300626
« Reply #1052 on: July 15, 2020, 03:16:01 am »
MW-- i looked briefly and didn't see it really apparent... Where is ian scumreading TorB?? I think you night be misunderstanding how Kallan role works, you would typically as town target a scumread you'd like to die with a townread you think might\likely die to get +town EV in the result where the townie is nk. At least that's how I see it being a role use for town favor (still confused by how that role can benefit scum... Much better as a town role in terms of power)
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300627#msg1300627
« Reply #1053 on: July 15, 2020, 06:10:52 am »
MW-- i looked briefly and didn't see it really apparent... Where is ian scumreading TorB??
Definitely still scum reading w3. TorB is slight scum-lean for me at this point in time, although at that time I TorB was a town read for me.

What changed? I'm not sure.
Right there, rob. It feels like omgus to me, I explained from the very start that my idea behind voting ian early was to prevent him getting EoD blitzed, giving him some time for explanations and stuff.
Wow, missed EoD and that was a lot to catch up on.

First off. Yall had missed this whole post? cuz you guys never moved my vote off rob. @kae, when you do kaevision, please fix it to me voting on coffee.
It seems Cal missed your vote, moehrpi continued from Cal's vote count, Coffee went with a much older vote count alltogether and I then "corrected" it to moehrpi's vote count that included Coffee's vote, but not yours.

After that it was lost in the void.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300628#msg1300628
« Reply #1054 on: July 15, 2020, 07:30:53 am »
If Ian’s targets are right, he’s town. But he could be lying for all we know

No, because he could be mafia and know they are both town? This makes sense if he sees the possibility of someone vigging w3.
Edit: Right, this needs Raiden to work...

Could we use ian's ability to help control Coffee? If this is not a dumb idea I'd be willing to move my vote from him.

Sure, let mafia know ian is going to use his ability on Coffee and his next target.

yes, if coffee lives we can force ian to kill someone in addition to coffees kil (and coffee not using your ability after already outing is beyond dumb, as the first half has literally no drawback)

If he is scum it has.

Unless MW is being tanked by his team here.... SOMEBODY wagon would have taken hold to 'save' MW if he was scum, right? That's my thought in the moment here...
Unless his team is in DC/Sub/Killsda, yes?

I might eventually change my vote D3.

So we still learned nothing from D1 EoD madness, did we?

This time rob is around.

Just got back home, why are we voting down MW?
ian claimed kallen kaslana and is thus mechanically confirmable eventually and w3 doesnt want his cws lynched which imo means he's town regardless of their alignements, see above why I think dc is town and mw is just the only semiviable wagon fmpov

What is cw again? >.<

MW vote - no NL no ties!

Did you fucking vote into a tie three seconds before deadline?

ANYONE tying the vote into NL should get vigged too. M:mmmmmmm, need more vig action.

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Wait warmly, I'm unsure how this works out. I clearly stated intent to vote only if -not- NL. When did Naii get to 4-3 lead???
I don't normally allow conditional votes, but your intent was clear.

So in this case, I will allow you to clarify: Do you want to vote?

How is this even a consideration? smh

Just ignore a potential Raiden Mei and let Emma track down Raiden Mei. If Raiden interferes, a mafia is now exposed. If Raiden is town, a semi-doc is now known to Emma. Unless someone knows of a role that is almost certainly mafia for Emma to target?

Durandal gets to use ability again, really hoping that has more luck than the lynches so far.

For Cecilia and Kallen I would prefer no ability usage, possibly with Frederica keeping an eye on them to ensure no abilities or Honkai Cores are used.

I really hope Sub isn't scum Bronya pretending to be inactive.

Actually, I am not too opposed to let Coffee target common scumreads once.

Scum Bronya is a nuisance but I don't see it as that big of a deal. Especially since town Sub would claim Bronya prior to voting.

Durandal, you are our only hope :cwy:

Someone's boosting their ego again?

Why would you even Town lean ian just because he said what his role is?

Issa confirm-able role that could be used very very wrongly. Also, while i dont agree on his torb scum read, i dont blame him for picking you and torb. You always die first and he just picked his biggest read (torb i guess) as the other person to die.

I believe you confused his to reads.

MW-- i looked briefly and didn't see it really apparent... Where is ian scumreading TorB?? I think you night be misunderstanding how Kallan role works, you would typically as town target a scumread you'd like to die with a townread you think might\likely die to get +town EV in the result where the townie is nk. At least that's how I see it being a role use for town favor (still confused by how that role can benefit scum... Much better as a town role in terms of power)

Targeting two scumreads might be even better. You are quite sure to be mistaken at least once. If both are commonly scumread it is a bit trickier. At early stages it probably won't attract a NK but at later stages the pool gets narrower and vig roles might sense their time and take action.


The wrong vote count is partially on me. Sorry, folks. :/

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300630#msg1300630
« Reply #1055 on: July 15, 2020, 09:13:35 am »
Ugh, Sub inactive is really annoying. His opportunistic vote on w3 is really bothering me. I have theories where they are an attempt to form a serious counter-wagon to save at least one mafia buddy (MW or DC), but they are all moot until one of them flips scum. Because I think the three way tie on MW/DC/w3 was one of the more interesting moments to analyze lynch wagon movements. Early vote on ian D2 was also partially to poke around Link's theory of an ian/DC team, but at the moment I am more inclined towards an MW/Sub team. Both Sub and MW seem to have been fishing for info roles in their own way. And this?
Rob: Been vocal about this already. Gut feeling about Link NK
This part holds just as true -or even more so- for Sub, from my point of view. Of course, that would not be convenient to mention of a mafia buddy.

The third member might be DC or deep town.

But shading people that aren't even around to defend themselves, blegh. Just wanted to throw my motivations and thoughts out there in the not unlikely case I get NK-ed.

 

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