Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[PlayerOa]

But I'm conflicted on the matter, myself.

[PlayerOa]

Eh, the hell with it, let Coffee live for now. He's not surviving until lylo anyway.

[andretimpa]

Regarding Cecilia talk: should we try to find a consensus on role usage for next night? One that is received as such? Mislynch is sure to leave some people bloodthirsty.

This boils down to, do we trust Coffee not to double-tap in N3? Even if he goes along with our choice in N2?

[rob77dp]

So you think Coffee might be scum on the timing / claim content... thoughts on how TorB has somewhat quickly come to a position (and I've somewhat echoed it now) of defending coffee for today's lynch on the heels of the claim? Do you think that gives TorB (or... ?myself?) scum-equity for using the timing as a way to maybe try hedging between Cecelia not fully hiding and also not fully outing more quickly when it became a contentious action?? (Or is if you think Coffee is scummy for the claim (timing reasons) he is just getting lucky that town?TorB and myself are willing to publicly advance a narrative to not lynch him for it yet...?)

Is EOD cranking up now/yet??

[Coffeeditto]

Regarding Cecilia talk: should we try to find a consensus on role usage for next night? One that is received as such? Mislynch is sure to leave some people bloodthirsty.

This boils down to, do we trust Coffee not to double-tap in N3? Even if he goes along with our choice in N2?

There’s an option of me not using my ability at all any more. If I do, whoever I hit with it could out it as me going against the town’s CLEAR AND DISTINCTIVE wishes.

[rob77dp]

Regarding Cecilia talk: should we try to find a consensus on role usage for next night? One that is received as such? Mislynch is sure to leave some people bloodthirsty.

This boils down to, do we trust Coffee not to double-tap in N3? Even if he goes along with our choice in N2?

There’s an option of me not using my ability at all any more. If I do, whoever I hit with it could out it as me going against the town’s CLEAR AND DISTINCTIVE wishes.

Unless Sub has actually disappeared for a more extended period of time and you tap him the next two nights and he isn't around to out?? Actually, that is a worrisome thought on multiple fronts...


SUB - come back, it's EOD, september hasn't started so we're not waiting for it to end to wake you up either.

[PlayerOa]

So you think Coffee might be scum on the timing / claim content... thoughts on how TorB has somewhat quickly come to a position (and I've somewhat echoed it now) of defending coffee for today's lynch on the heels of the claim? Do you think that gives TorB (or... ?myself?) scum-equity for using the timing as a way to maybe try hedging between Cecelia not fully hiding and also not fully outing more quickly when it became a contentious action?? (Or is if you think Coffee is scummy for the claim (timing reasons) he is just getting lucky that town?TorB and myself are willing to publicly advance a narrative to not lynch him for it yet...?)

Is EOD cranking up now/yet??

Nah, not really. It's quite an intricate situation, and as you saw yourself, it's only 24 hours since I had a pretty different stance. It all boils down to whether or not you think the claim made sense for a town Cecilia, I guess, and I respect and even appreciate different takes on the situation, so we can work out together how this really works.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

If you consider Coffee scum, analyze whom his likely mafia partners would be, either having Coffee target them or not use ability at all. That is my point of view. I have not really analyzed this part yet, so I cannot give an opinion on preferred targets now. Coffee not having had lynch wagons so far gives me very little to base possible mafia buddies on.

[andretimpa]

Oa - are you not agreeing with TorB? RE: letting a claimed Cecelia live another night... Coffee has now claimed (w/o counter - LOL someone countering that claim) and we know he cannot finish-a-kill tonight no matter his alignment. So the suggestion, that I tend to concur with at this point, is it could be less urgent to try pushing a coffee lynch today given the current group of options.

I agree, there's no rush, and I'm completely fine with letting him go for now - but then again, this is all about lynching who we think are mafia. And I don't like the way Coffee revealed at all.

Concur with emphasized. I'm still quite conflicted about whether coffee's shooting is more likely scum or town - so wanting to punt on that for a short bit. You were a bit unsure too until coffee claimed - what parts of it now being claimed has you sliding him toward scummy in your reads?

Eh, while I heavily disagree with the decision on shooting d2d, it does not mean Cecilia is (or should be, for that matter) a dead man walking.

Why would the Linkcat NK throw shade on Cocolia? While we won't know for sure, there probably is one, but then again, it's only a 3/16 chance he would find Link, given Cocolia is town. And even then, I feel like Theresa's generally been considered somewhat... overrated. Especially at this stage. It could prove to be useful lategame, but there are, in my opinion, better roles in the current state of the game. Most likely they killed off Link purely because they know the resource he can turn out to be for town.

The claim itself, and the timing of it.

I'd have prefered the claim to be earlier tbh, but at least Coffee gave us time to discuss it (I'd expect scum to just hardclaim not Cecilia and be done with it)

[andretimpa]

Regarding Cecilia talk: should we try to find a consensus on role usage for next night? One that is received as such? Mislynch is sure to leave some people bloodthirsty.

This boils down to, do we trust Coffee not to double-tap in N3? Even if he goes along with our choice in N2?

There’s an option of me not using my ability at all any more. If I do, whoever I hit with it could out it as me going against the town’s CLEAR AND DISTINCTIVE wishes.

Unless Sub has actually disappeared for a more extended period of time and you tap him the next two nights and he isn't around to out?? Actually, that is a worrisome thought on multiple fronts...


SUB - come back, it's EOD, september hasn't started so we're not waiting for it to end to wake you up either.

wouldn't Sub get modkilled in this case?

[Coffeeditto]

Regarding Cecilia talk: should we try to find a consensus on role usage for next night? One that is received as such? Mislynch is sure to leave some people bloodthirsty.

This boils down to, do we trust Coffee not to double-tap in N3? Even if he goes along with our choice in N2?

There’s an option of me not using my ability at all any more. If I do, whoever I hit with it could out it as me going against the town’s CLEAR AND DISTINCTIVE wishes.

Unless Sub has actually disappeared for a more extended period of time and you tap him the next two nights and he isn't around to out?? Actually, that is a worrisome thought on multiple fronts...


SUB - come back, it's EOD, september hasn't started so we're not waiting for it to end to wake you up either.

wouldn't Sub get modkilled in this case?

Not in only 2 phases.

[andretimpa]

Regarding Cecilia talk: should we try to find a consensus on role usage for next night? One that is received as such? Mislynch is sure to leave some people bloodthirsty.

This boils down to, do we trust Coffee not to double-tap in N3? Even if he goes along with our choice in N2?

There’s an option of me not using my ability at all any more. If I do, whoever I hit with it could out it as me going against the town’s CLEAR AND DISTINCTIVE wishes.

Unless Sub has actually disappeared for a more extended period of time and you tap him the next two nights and he isn't around to out?? Actually, that is a worrisome thought on multiple fronts...


SUB - come back, it's EOD, september hasn't started so we're not waiting for it to end to wake you up either.

wouldn't Sub get modkilled in this case?

Not in only 2 phases.

D2/N2/D3/N3 ?

that looks like 4 to me