Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[TheonlyrealBeef]

@TorB, I hard claim NOT Cecilia.

Forgot to answer "who do you think is Cecilia" comment. If I had to guess, it would probably be MW out of that list. Although I wouldn't put it past w3 to do something like that either.

Keeping both in mind. We are currently at a balance on you vs MW in terms of lynch votes, so I mostly want to see whom will break the balance and for which reasons. Totally willing to go for an MW lynch today, though having him be the only one to make an effort to defend Cecilia as Cecilia, but then not claim... I guess it's not beyond MW. Actually, I read kaempf's post on MW's defense and presumed as such, but apparently he never mentioned Cecilia either. So forget clearing MW as town by finding scum Cecilia.

Still, dawn was still alive when MW posted this, and never counter-claimed:

I have given all the information about myself. Lemme bulletin it so that if i do get lynched, youll see there is no info to gain from it.

• Im Town
• I do NOT have an information role
• I have NOT used my role yet

[PlayerOa]

I heavily doubt MW is Cecilia.

[iancudorinmarian]

Nice catch. So MW basically confirmed not Cecilia then.

[Coffeeditto]

okay here we go guys

I hardclaim Cecilia, and intentionally killed dawn last night. I wasn't driven, it wasn't a mistaken pm, I killed dawn on purpose.'

Here's how it happened:

I am not sure any more who implied dawn is going to die soon anyway. Can we agree as town not to use Cecilia as a killing tool? I see the benefit of having the option to vig people at later stages but this early it is beyond scummy.

Again, I don't want Cecilia to go about killing heaps of people. Do we have a consensus here? I'm going as far as wanting Emma to call Cecilia out D3 if dawn gets killed N1/N2.

Here are the posts by moe that indicate a lack of supporting my follow through with the kill. There wasn't much backing nor reasoning behind not killing him from what I read.

Dawn did not claim any important role, as he should have (ex. "I am a power role") after being hit by me the first time. When he didn't claim something investigative or a doctor (what I might consider important roles), the roles he could have had that were beneficial to the town were limited. Other than the investigative roles and Hua, the only other roles that could positively impact us as town would be Raiden, Seele (by copying another role (but he would already have copied Cecilia)), and Liliya. I was willing to take the risk if he was Liliya, as it would have shown me dying as Ceciliya when the kill would or should have been Dawn. It made more sense to me to stop him from possibly getting away with a free pass from lynching for having a Cecilia hit on him.

He also didn't contribute during his time alive very heavily. People claim he began to put out more content, but the only posts with substance were his light reads and filler otherwise. That reads to me as scummy. With him staying alive for the extra day/night phase, it could have resulted in him roleblocking Hua, getting a Typhoon Cutter off onto an investigative role or taking me down with him if he were a maf Kallen and we decided to have me vig hit him tomorrow.

I'd like to say I learned from the best (Rob).


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As far as my scumreads go, ian's repeated odd lines with the "I will be more useful later" and his last line I quoted about him never reading the lists reads more and more scummy to me as the game goes on. This has led me to FOS him almost equally as hard as DC.

Coffee - I can't seem to shake off that bias that he's talking way more than he did last game, but regardless I feel like he latched on me yesterday with rather weak arguments.

This is OMGUS and both of your points are weak; a reaction test is just as valid as any other scum read, and most people have already established that my playstyle for nearly every other game was to coast regardless of alignment. I'm also talking way more than last game because I'm not dead yet.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

And for the record, I am completely disinterested in lynching mafia Cecilia today. Rather, I would prefer above else to find their most likely accomplices in the hopes that Emma Planck can track Cecilia themselves down next night. So the vote on ian is not because I still find him the primary Cecilia suspect. Similarly, MW not being Cecilia is not a reason not to lynch vote him.

Oh, and then Coffee posts, making most of my points above moot. I would have preferred to see this post earlier, but at least we can stop witch hunting.

[iancudorinmarian]

Coffee, you should've killed rob to take revenge, what are you even doing?

[Coffeeditto]

Coffee, you should've killed rob to take revenge, what are you even doing?

You’re so right.

Oh, and then Coffee posts, making most of my points above moot. I would have preferred to see this post earlier, but at least we can stop witch hunting.

Ideally, I would have posted tomorrow day after getting someone else to confirm me. I was hoping my roleswap soft of doc would take some abilities or the night kill away from an important role like Dura. I was also against outing everyone’s roles or what they aren’t so early, because as we do this with everyone the mafia is able to narrow who is who.

[worldwideweb3]

okay here we go guys

I hardclaim Cecilia, and intentionally killed dawn last night. I wasn't driven, it wasn't a mistaken pm, I killed dawn on purpose.'

Here's how it happened:

I am not sure any more who implied dawn is going to die soon anyway. Can we agree as town not to use Cecilia as a killing tool? I see the benefit of having the option to vig people at later stages but this early it is beyond scummy.

Again, I don't want Cecilia to go about killing heaps of people. Do we have a consensus here? I'm going as far as wanting Emma to call Cecilia out D3 if dawn gets killed N1/N2.

Here are the posts by moe that indicate a lack of supporting my follow through with the kill. There wasn't much backing nor reasoning behind not killing him from what I read.

Dawn did not claim any important role, as he should have (ex. "I am a power role") after being hit by me the first time. When he didn't claim something investigative or a doctor (what I might consider important roles), the roles he could have had that were beneficial to the town were limited. Other than the investigative roles and Hua, the only other roles that could positively impact us as town would be Raiden, Seele (by copying another role (but he would already have copied Cecilia)), and Liliya. I was willing to take the risk if he was Liliya, as it would have shown me dying as Ceciliya when the kill would or should have been Dawn. It made more sense to me to stop him from possibly getting away with a free pass from lynching for having a Cecilia hit on him.

He also didn't contribute during his time alive very heavily. People claim he began to put out more content, but the only posts with substance were his light reads and filler otherwise. That reads to me as scummy. With him staying alive for the extra day/night phase, it could have resulted in him roleblocking Hua, getting a Typhoon Cutter off onto an investigative role or taking me down with him if he were a maf Kallen and we decided to have me vig hit him tomorrow.

I'd like to say I learned from the best (Rob).


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As far as my scumreads go, ian's repeated odd lines with the "I will be more useful later" and his last line I quoted about him never reading the lists reads more and more scummy to me as the game goes on. This has led me to FOS him almost equally as hard as DC.

Coffee - I can't seem to shake off that bias that he's talking way more than he did last game, but regardless I feel like he latched on me yesterday with rather weak arguments.

This is OMGUS and both of your points are weak; a reaction test is just as valid as any other scum read, and most people have already established that my playstyle for nearly every other game was to coast regardless of alignment. I'm also talking way more than last game because I'm not dead yet.

There was a consensus to not kill dawn, so why did you go kill him? If I was dawn, I wouldn’t be claiming either as a town cecila wouldnt hammer like that. Especially given that you’ve been previously not as active, and then using your reasoning as inactivity to kill dawn? Cal was more inactive, you could’ve targeted him and given dawn one more day atleast.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

From my point of view the optimal play for mafia Cecilia would have been to kill off the town with the lowest credibility, then force a power role to claim D3, while for town its better to sacrifice yourself than waste a fellow town power role just to live for one more day.

Town lean thus far is another reason why I am giving Coffee the benefit of doubt for now and not lynch voting. No one is in danger of getting killed by Cecilia role upcoming night.

[DoubleCapitals]

This is OMGUS and both of your points are weak; a reaction test is just as valid as any other scum read, and most people have already established that my playstyle for nearly every other game was to coast regardless of alignment. I'm also talking way more than last game because I'm not dead yet.

What the hell ya want me to do, pick a better meme?

[rob77dp]

What www3 said. With added-- but would a scum!Coffee out this way? Even after a once over on coffee claim past I'm conflicted if the shots are true scummy or town as I struggle to grasp EITHER alignment doing it this way??

[Coffeeditto]

okay here we go guys

I hardclaim Cecilia, and intentionally killed dawn last night. I wasn't driven, it wasn't a mistaken pm, I killed dawn on purpose.'

Here's how it happened:

I am not sure any more who implied dawn is going to die soon anyway. Can we agree as town not to use Cecilia as a killing tool? I see the benefit of having the option to vig people at later stages but this early it is beyond scummy.

Again, I don't want Cecilia to go about killing heaps of people. Do we have a consensus here? I'm going as far as wanting Emma to call Cecilia out D3 if dawn gets killed N1/N2.

Here are the posts by moe that indicate a lack of supporting my follow through with the kill. There wasn't much backing nor reasoning behind not killing him from what I read.

Dawn did not claim any important role, as he should have (ex. "I am a power role") after being hit by me the first time. When he didn't claim something investigative or a doctor (what I might consider important roles), the roles he could have had that were beneficial to the town were limited. Other than the investigative roles and Hua, the only other roles that could positively impact us as town would be Raiden, Seele (by copying another role (but he would already have copied Cecilia)), and Liliya. I was willing to take the risk if he was Liliya, as it would have shown me dying as Ceciliya when the kill would or should have been Dawn. It made more sense to me to stop him from possibly getting away with a free pass from lynching for having a Cecilia hit on him.

He also didn't contribute during his time alive very heavily. People claim he began to put out more content, but the only posts with substance were his light reads and filler otherwise. That reads to me as scummy. With him staying alive for the extra day/night phase, it could have resulted in him roleblocking Hua, getting a Typhoon Cutter off onto an investigative role or taking me down with him if he were a maf Kallen and we decided to have me vig hit him tomorrow.

I'd like to say I learned from the best (Rob).


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As far as my scumreads go, ian's repeated odd lines with the "I will be more useful later" and his last line I quoted about him never reading the lists reads more and more scummy to me as the game goes on. This has led me to FOS him almost equally as hard as DC.

Coffee - I can't seem to shake off that bias that he's talking way more than he did last game, but regardless I feel like he latched on me yesterday with rather weak arguments.

This is OMGUS and both of your points are weak; a reaction test is just as valid as any other scum read, and most people have already established that my playstyle for nearly every other game was to coast regardless of alignment. I'm also talking way more than last game because I'm not dead yet.

There was a consensus to not kill dawn, so why did you go kill him? If I was dawn, I wouldn’t be claiming either as a town cecila wouldnt hammer like that. Especially given that you’ve been previously not as active, and then using your reasoning as inactivity to kill dawn? Cal was more inactive, you could’ve targeted him and given dawn one more day atleast.

The consensus was not vocalized heavily. Also, mafia would know my identity if I was on them and then we risk out vig getting killed. I don’t understand your point behind the me not being active thing.