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Please check all hours that would work for you as the deadline for each phase.

0 GMT
8 (5.7%)
1 GMT
7 (5%)
2 GMT
7 (5%)
3 GMT
7 (5%)
4 GMT
7 (5%)
5 GMT
4 (2.8%)
6 GMT
4 (2.8%)
7 GMT
4 (2.8%)
8 GMT
4 (2.8%)
9 GMT
5 (3.5%)
10 GMT
5 (3.5%)
11 GMT
4 (2.8%)
12 GMT
3 (2.1%)
13 GMT
2 (1.4%)
14 GMT
3 (2.1%)
15 GMT
4 (2.8%)
16 GMT
3 (2.1%)
17 GMT
5 (3.5%)
18 GMT
9 (6.4%)
19 GMT
9 (6.4%)
20 GMT
11 (7.8%)
21 GMT
9 (6.4%)
22 GMT
9 (6.4%)
23 GMT
8 (5.7%)

Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:29:25 pm

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What kind of setup do you want to see next?

Run the standard setup with minor adjustments.
7 (26.9%)
Run a closed setup designed by Linkcat.
8 (30.8%)
Run a game with all Fate Eggs.
7 (26.9%)
Run an even sillier game just to mess around.
4 (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 13

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:47:45 pm

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What to do about Who's Online?

Allow free use of it.
9 (52.9%)
Ban use of it during the last couple hours of each phase.
3 (17.6%)
Ban use of it completely.
5 (29.4%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 11:26:23 pm

Poll

Who played the best mafia?

Linkcat
1 (2.5%)
TheonlyrealBeef
16 (40%)
shockcannon
0 (0%)
PlayerOa
1 (2.5%)
iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
worldwideweb3
1 (2.5%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
0 (0%)
dawn_to_dusk
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
6 (15%)
Submachine
0 (0%)
killsdazombies
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
7 (17.5%)
rob77dp
3 (7.5%)
DoubleCapitals
1 (2.5%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Naii_the_Baf
0 (0%)
moehrpi13
4 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:51:45 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300384#msg1300384
« Reply #816 on: July 14, 2020, 10:04:12 am »
I think the only people defending cecilia's action were me (confirmed not cecilia) and mw (who claims to have stayed put n0). Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the real cecilia didnt even try to justify themselves. So now i've come around to agree that cecilia is probably scum.
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300385#msg1300385
« Reply #817 on: July 14, 2020, 10:10:51 am »
My thoughts on what happened:

Cecilia killing dawn was a bad play imo. I'd be okay with it had dawn remained completely silent or had just made a single post to avoid a modkill. Instead he started being more active in N1. imo the better play would have been to target Cal to put some pressure on him to participate a bit more. Also, with the amount of people wanting to lynch Cecilia right now, I doubt even a town!Cecilia would step forward.

Town!Cecilla has to come forward now and explain, otherwise the more time it passes, the scummier it looks. At least if it happens now, it can be discussed and we can reach a conclusion about it, but otherwise Cecilla wouldn't be able to use their role anymore without being outed on the spot and probably lynched.

I am not convinced town needs to know Cecilia's identity any more. As soon as she targets a not commonly scumread person, she should get outed, though. Also, apparently my idea's for Cecilia don't matter too much to Cecilia. So, if we collectively allow Cecilia to vig scummy people there will be plenty scummy townsfolk that a potential mafia could get rid of. I do not like this. I also would want her outed if she makes that attempt.

I would ideally like the next votes to be from kdz/moe/cal/naii before the usual actives start talking/voting etc

You're not an all too unlikely candidate yourself. But I am not so well at scumreading people.

moe ─ I didn't bother to read much into him after some of those damn big posts, but I agree with most of the statements in what I did read.

That's not good, this is where I post my thoughts on ten pages of content. The small posts only reflect a fraction of that.

N-
Rob: Been vocal about this already. Gut feeling about Link NK but i didnt want to list him in the everyone else catagory.
You cannot deduct mafia form the NK target. There are information roles and some people are good at solving and pose a greater risk as town. rob is not the only one to know this.
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Coffee: REALLY dont like the promise to protect then failing to do so. Almost feels like you said you would so that he didnt get targeted by anything else as to not disrupt the kill. Like roleswapping or not, thats kinda scummy thing to do. Also, id like to point out him telling info roles to not reveal anything. There are only 3 mafia this game. A mafia kill now would set us FAR ahead. Info roles could be killed off before sharing as we are already 3 town down.
I don't think anyone pegged Coffee as Fu Hua after his post. You cannot announce to mafia what the power roles are going to do exactly. Your point baffles me. I don't like the term 'roleswapping' it's just a fancy word for a concept that's always been there. Of course you're going to muddy the water for yourself and mafia information acquisition!?

To be fair, I guess I try to be a bit harsher than usual as there's a bit of OMGUS going on on my part.

While thinking it over, I have this strange feeling that Cecilia is indeed mafia, with both them and at least one mafia buddy trying to completely ignore this discussion point, despite a lot of people having given their opinion about this. Trying to give your opinion about it after this post would be moot, of course, nor do I have any substantial evidence. Just a gut feeling enhanced by the fact that the mafia team I currently have in my head is staying awfully silent about Cecilia. Which would make my n- reads MW and w3 town.

I also look at them with suspicion and like your this post in general as it gives me some direction towards solving. I am far from getting scumreads but looking at your play it shows a distinct path to follow.

People I am currently fine placing my vote on: MW, w3, ian, Naii out of the more suspicious looking lot. Cal, DC, andre, kdz I still don't have a read. Sub I don't think I will ever get one.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300386#msg1300386
« Reply #818 on: July 14, 2020, 10:12:16 am »
Looking into TorB's theory btw. So, I might end up giving MW and www3 town cred as a result. But I don't see it yet.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300387#msg1300387
« Reply #819 on: July 14, 2020, 10:21:13 am »
Looks like Sub died irl, hasnt been online since nighttime. No wonder it felt so quiet.
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300388#msg1300388
« Reply #820 on: July 14, 2020, 11:16:48 am »
Before I die, here's the solved game mafia team: w3, TorB/roB, MW
If this is the case, which of them is Cecilia? Or do you believe Cecilia is town?

My current top suspects for mafia Cecilia are:
  • iancudorinmarian
  • Submachine

Unless Emma Planck is mafia, mafia already knows the chances of there being an Emma Planck are still quite high (chances reduce with each other role revealed to be in-game, chance is 0% if Emma Planck is mafia), meaning a no-Cecilia hard false-claim would still be caught on N2, which is a guaranteed death from my point of view. Easiest way out is to simple ignore the Cecilia discussion, however, hoping I wouldn't raise the point I did.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300389#msg1300389
« Reply #821 on: July 14, 2020, 11:17:02 am »
7.
Calindu n
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Same as before, for the amount of time he puts in the game his posts seem fine, there's just not enough for a read.
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naii n
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not w/w with rob lol. His readlist is agreeable for the most part, maybe too much so. Other than that I can mostly just derive his lack of experience which is mostly nai(ha!). You could argue that his scumteam didnt help him kick up less dirt with his votes, but meh, dont really want to force a read out of that.
mw n
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Dude what are you doing? Unfortunately, I find myself asking that every time with him. Arguably, him assuming that the scumteam would exchange themselves over correct roleusage for town, is eversoslightly towny, as there has never been a scumchat that did that, so maybe he still hasnt been in one.
Some of his reads seem fine, others are really farfetched. Voting someone you dont actually want to lynch is always questionable, but he admits that he doesnt have real scumreads, so might just be antibronya measure.
moe n+
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I see real efforts to solve here. Lets just forget I mentioned a potential slip, ok? :-[
iancudorinmarian n-
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I see nothing of value here. His reads seem to be mostly memes. His reactions to being voted up are rather strong, but i dont actually see him trying any harder.
andretimpa n+
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I see him trying much harder this time, I think he doesnt just coast along. Also, some of the awkward tone he had in his early posts the game before seems gone (dont give too much on that,I'm almost tonedeath)
kdz n
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I feel a little better about him now for some reason. Probably because I get his sentiment that its really hard to put people anywhere else but n right now (see this list) and some other small things. ironically this strips me off a read entirely.
Oa vv
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Durandal+ decent solviness
DC v
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based on wagonomics minimal effort went into keeping him alive. Constantly in danger and the people starting new cws were always different i think. i think his cws had various different votes as well.
Coffee v
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lots of solving + I think the fact that he's even trying at all makes him towny per default considering his meta.
Sub n/n-
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Many uncharacteristic behaviours that throw me off. has been completely awol today (nai!).
rob n/n-
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I still dont like many of his posts, but i dont want to end up in the situation again where I sus all active towns early  and then am stuck with the only person posting halfway sensibly (autotr based on lack of alternatives) being scum. additionally he might have derpcleared himself and rob may be right that he would absolutely avoid getting caught in contradictions as scum. For why I dont like his posts just grab 2 of my posts at random and you more likely than not get an answer.
w3 n
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His contributions are pretty minimal. I want to give some cred for not being particularly keen on voting DC once he got serious, even though dc started as his only serious cw.
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He's really helpfull to town overall.
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300390#msg1300390
« Reply #822 on: July 14, 2020, 11:19:50 am »
Unless Emma Planck is mafia, mafia already knows the chances of there being a TOWN Emma Planck are still quite high (chances reduce with each other role revealed to be in-game, chance is 0% if Emma Planck is mafia)
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300391#msg1300391
« Reply #823 on: July 14, 2020, 12:25:50 pm »
I kinda want to to do sth with my vote, as I'm out until ~1hour before deadline, but the vote that I would place right now would be on ian and I feel like parking there just denies future wagonmovement, as he already has 3 votes.
He seems to insist on not cooperating so pressurevotes do nothing for him either (either he's scum scared to spew sth, or he just never gives a damn).
i kinda want to give rob a second chance, so i guess this leaves me with Sub. Not entirely happy with that, as he should become more active or on the contrary might be completely unable to login and thus not explain himself or roleclaim if necessary, but I will most likely be there before EoD.


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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300392#msg1300392
« Reply #824 on: July 14, 2020, 12:35:22 pm »
@TorB, I hard claim NOT Cecilia.

@kae, I insist on not cooperating? How did you even get that impression is beyond me. Just because I have nothing of value to relay does not mean I'm purposely trying to not "cooperate".

The real scum are laughing their asses off in their pad while you're all busy throwing shade at me.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300393#msg1300393
« Reply #825 on: July 14, 2020, 12:36:44 pm »
Forgot to answer "who do you think is Cecilia" comment. If I had to guess, it would probably be MW out of that list. Although I wouldn't put it past w3 to do something like that either.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300394#msg1300394
« Reply #826 on: July 14, 2020, 12:37:54 pm »
And to be honest, I didn't even read the full role list yet. All these names confuse me, so I never bothered.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300395#msg1300395
« Reply #827 on: July 14, 2020, 12:41:22 pm »
And to be honest, I didn't even read the full role list yet. All these names confuse me, so I never bothered.
this line is weird for being 2 game days in
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