Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[MasterWalks]

I'm left to continue talking to myself for a bit longer before I have to leave again - luck you!

MW - what is this? You're scumreading me because Link was the NK?? That doesn't compute (trying to avoid WIFOM scenarios here, but eh)... you have no other stronger scumleans or suspiciouns at this point now that shock is dead whom you say you scumread for redirecting kae on N0 as now-flipped-town!Rita-shock? Then you don't really want to lynch either of moe or myself, your top two scumreads... What gives? Seems quite shaky to me... but it is certainly appreciated (or more) that you're putting things out there [alignment TBD].

You engaging in this much conversation is making me townlean you now. I do still feel iffy about you and the link NK but your engagement outweighs that.

Read List

V
PlayerOa: Willing to bet duran woulda left some sorta hint after Oa was investigated if he was Maf.

N+
TORB: Laid the gameplan out early on. Engaged and very towny. I still believe that as knowledgeable he is about everything, that could be due to having another pad to discuss this. Only reason hes not in V.
Kaempf: Open about being targetted. Helpful and acts pretty normal.
KDZ: Honestly seems kinda confused, going with the flow. Maybe under the radar a bit but is seeming pretty normal.

N
Everyone not listed: Seem normal

N-
Moe: Has really been rubbing me the wrong way all game. Only a very slight scum read that a bit superstititous but still, gut feeling for now.
Rob: Been vocal about this already. Gut feeling about Link NK but i didnt want to list him in the everyone else catagory.
Cal, Naii: Inactivity is scummy at this point in the game. Cal literally has less posts than shock, the first kill.
Sub: Suspiciously confused. Maybe im remembering too much from early early game but man, really unlike you.

N--
Coffee: REALLY dont like the promise to protect then failing to do so. Almost feels like you said you would so that he didnt get targeted by anything else as to not disrupt the kill. Like roleswapping or not, thats kinda scummy thing to do. Also, id like to point out him telling info roles to not reveal anything. There are only 3 mafia this game. A mafia kill now would set us FAR ahead. Info roles could be killed off before sharing as we are already 3 town down.



iancudorinmarian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa, killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
killsdazombies (1) - worldwideweb3
Coffeeditto (1) - MasterWalks

[Naii_the_Baf]

@rob:

My read on you is null; I put you in n- as a joke because I noticed you hadn't put me in any of your reads lists so far and that made me sad.

[PlayerOa]

Eh, while I heavily disagree with the decision on shooting d2d, it does not mean Cecilia is (or should be, for that matter) a dead man walking.

Why would the Linkcat NK throw shade on Cocolia? While we won't know for sure, there probably is one, but then again, it's only a 3/16 chance he would find Link, given Cocolia is town. And even then, I feel like Theresa's generally been considered somewhat... overrated. Especially at this stage. It could prove to be useful lategame, but there are, in my opinion, better roles in the current state of the game. Most likely they killed off Link purely because they know the resource he can turn out to be for town.

Oa- you seem to have rested quite well given you are pretty close to a consensus town-read (albeit a few people, myself included) that managed to avoid at least two dangerous situations (Cecelia targeted dawn again and Link was NK)... thoughts on that? Hmm, you posit that Link _might_ have been NK just as a way of mafia trying to kill a town that is know to push and solve throughout the game as town --- how much does that thought process leave you wanting to give a bit of credence to Link's dying reads??

Fear of doc protection, I guess?

Reads of confirmed town should always be taken in consideration, but then again, his role couldn't quite influence his reads so far... Throwing suspicion on iancu and DC is fair play in my book and somewhat aligns with my own thoughts.

[worldwideweb3]

iancudorinmarian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - worldwideweb3

I will do an ISO on all soon, but for now

I did read the whole thread again, dw

[worldwideweb3]

I'm left to continue talking to myself for a bit longer before I have to leave again - luck you!

MW - what is this? You're scumreading me because Link was the NK?? That doesn't compute (trying to avoid WIFOM scenarios here, but eh)... you have no other stronger scumleans or suspiciouns at this point now that shock is dead whom you say you scumread for redirecting kae on N0 as now-flipped-town!Rita-shock? Then you don't really want to lynch either of moe or myself, your top two scumreads... What gives? Seems quite shaky to me... but it is certainly appreciated (or more) that you're putting things out there [alignment TBD].

You engaging in this much conversation is making me townlean you now. I do still feel iffy about you and the link NK but your engagement outweighs that.

Read List

V
PlayerOa: Willing to bet duran woulda left some sorta hint after Oa was investigated if he was Maf.

N+
TORB: Laid the gameplan out early on. Engaged and very towny. I still believe that as knowledgeable he is about everything, that could be due to having another pad to discuss this. Only reason hes not in V.
Kaempf: Open about being targetted. Helpful and acts pretty normal.
KDZ: Honestly seems kinda confused, going with the flow. Maybe under the radar a bit but is seeming pretty normal.

N
Everyone not listed: Seem normal

N-
Moe: Has really been rubbing me the wrong way all game. Only a very slight scum read that a bit superstititous but still, gut feeling for now.
Rob: Been vocal about this already. Gut feeling about Link NK but i didnt want to list him in the everyone else catagory.
Cal, Naii: Inactivity is scummy at this point in the game. Cal literally has less posts than shock, the first kill.
Sub: Suspiciously confused. Maybe im remembering too much from early early game but man, really unlike you.

N--
Coffee: REALLY dont like the promise to protect then failing to do so. Almost feels like you said you would so that he didnt get targeted by anything else as to not disrupt the kill. Like roleswapping or not, thats kinda scummy thing to do. Also, id like to point out him telling info roles to not reveal anything. There are only 3 mafia this game. A mafia kill now would set us FAR ahead. Info roles could be killed off before sharing as we are already 3 town down.



iancudorinmarian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa, killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
killsdazombies (1) - worldwideweb3
Coffeeditto (1) - MasterWalks

You can’t sus coffee so much based on that...ofcourse a medic would never out itself this early. I just brought the post up for mems and how Mafia still went ahead with the nk

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Spoiler for rob quote:

As the person to nom Coffee N0 last game, considering a vigi shot on an inactive scummy seems a bit hypocritical from my perspective. I do think it would be save to out Cecilia's identity the next time someone is targeted, but it's NAI for me so far. It would definitely go against my personal play style, so I'll hard claim not Cecilia right here and now.

Then again couldn't a scum Bronya simply "play along" visiting different players setting up multiple mid- late-game additional kills to play it safe if they got hit with one of this games many role-outing roles?

Cecilia? You need to remember that Cecilia reveals their identity to their targets. Personally, just being targeted by one would make me want to lynch them. If they marked multiple targets and Cecilia kills someone town, all the marked targets might want to lynch them. Not sure how you plan to kill multiple targets once your identity is revealed.

TorB, my N0 shot last game and the double-tap by Cecelia on dawn this game are quite different. I shot a 0-poster, dawn was low-activity, got dinged once and started coming into it a little bit. I had a one-night use-it-or-lose it chance, Cecelia here is premeditation. And I'm still quite conflicted as to whether it was scummy or towny for someone to Cecelia-snipe dawn like that first two nights of the game... scum would knowingly be skirting a very challenging uphill battle for doing it, but as you can see so far mostly got away with it if they are mafia!Cecelia; town would be understandably shy and probably a bit worried to out that they would face a stiff opposition to get off the hook. I will say that a town!Cecelia should have considered the cost of doing that snipe on dawn and been prepared to face the public outcry - I know I was ready for it when I sniped last game, yet here they still hide. Surely you can see why that would be viewed as scummy? I also admit that my premise here of "the two vig shots this and last game are vastly different" comes into play on my last statement there about "be ready to defend yourself" since I knew my shot would be outed by the host post whereas Cecelia this game could have decided to snipe without fully preparing to face the game at-large.

--> The vig shots are different. I want and we need to stop comparing them probably.
--> I think Cecelia has plenty of scum- or town-equity from this depending on how you review it.
--> I am undecided about whether they should claim as it likely turns this days' vote into a big push against/away from that one person... do we need that right now?

Well, if they do not claim, town Emma Planck might have to hunt them down and then they will definitely get lynched over it for hiding and making town out a power role like that. This is something that may need more attention N2, along with alternative roles to consider tracking down.

Both vig shots left a bad taste in my mouth by killing town, but they would both be valid under kaempfer13's statement that if there are 18 players, killing 17 of them as town wins you the game.

Where is everybody at? During the few hours I can carve out in the evening to sit and play I'm reduced to hollering into the void with myself back-to-back posting left to simply read during the day without able to post much.... 

I don't really read or post much in my sleep 5 - 6 am. Same is likely true for almost every European out there.

@TorB-
Your read on DC is that his posts have become increasingly more useful since he had D1 pressure/lynch votes on him. Can you show a few examples of posts you were thinking of as you typed out your general-feel-read on DC?

It's more like the opposite, the lack of shitposting. Less useless posts = more useful posts.

but wasn't MW like Dragonfly last game? He went rogue?

This post and all the ones before it felt like almost zero content one-liners. Maybe just adding in quotes felt like they had more content, too, lol. Just a feeling I got while reading through his posts.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

While thinking it over, I have this strange feeling that Cecilia is indeed mafia, with both them and at least one mafia buddy trying to completely ignore this discussion point, despite a lot of people having given their opinion about this. Trying to give your opinion about it after this post would be moot, of course, nor do I have any substantial evidence. Just a gut feeling enhanced by the fact that the mafia team I currently have in my head is staying awfully silent about Cecilia. Which would make my n- reads MW and w3 town.

[moehrpi]

Link NK supports the idea that mafia do have decent information.

Just back from camping and read up. Very confused about the nightkill, but i think it helps. Mafia killing Linkcat to me reads as mafia being largely inexperienced and worried about more experienced players. However, not only does it read like that to me but it also throws some sus onto Rob. I think a rob mafia would kill linkcat first just like a shock mafia would kill Kaempfer first. These are just theories and my initial thoughts.

I would also like to throw the idea out that whoever killed d2d might not actually be mafia. d2d would be a decent target for a trigger happy oty town due to inactivity and confidence when he was active. Still, if it was town that pulled the trigger on dawn, it was a very very wasteful role use and dont be surprised if your lynched right away if/when someone finds out who is the killer.

Experienced or not killing Link makes sense every way you look at it. But you can hardly ever deduce a single mafia member from NK target. Mafia is too smart for that, even shock.

I don't like your second idea. I'm all for hunting down Cecilia.

Kae - elements mafia 49. Might have to dig it out, i don't remember if that lives in the usual place for old games here it not.

Rob, that was a scrubbed game that we played literally half a decade ago. Don't try to read off of it.

kae, I'd like you to explicitly rule out Raiden as rob mentioned the possibility. Obviously, we don't know the exact wording in your PM.

That confirms there is Rita who also likes to play ballsy. Maybe too ballsy for town? If we end up finding out a more cautious player is Rita it would hint at scum/scum with an information role such as Cocolia. But there's s big margin of error here.

We also know Durandal is in the game, yay, and this also confirms Oa for me, unless someone speaks up in the next few hours. Take good care of him next night.


EBWOP, soft-confirming www3's roll. :/

I soft counterclaim your soft confirm.

moe DC OA are mafia according to my rolls. Infact, as you can see, DC and OA came in both of my rolls :angry:

23:37:03] ‹worldwideweb3› (3d18) 15 + 4 + 15 = 34 ...!!
[23:37:07] ‹worldwideweb3› ew
[23:37:10] ‹worldwideweb3› (3d18) 18 + 4 + 15 = 37 ...✗

This is the "www3 roll" that moe was referring to that Link soft counterclaimed moe's facetious "soft confirm"... Could it be Link crumbing that his N0 'spear' returned a non-Herscherr result on one of the players www3's rolls playfully identified - being moe / DC / Oa. Perhaps but seems a stretch, then again crumbs are supposed to be thin and veiled or not too obvious otherwise they are detected too soon??

Theresa needs outside information to confirm alignment. Neither of us claimed their role.

Ian - N- - Has a good amount of posts, but very few of them really contain uhhh content. Now I shit post a lot too, but it feels very similar to 73, a game ian was mafia and just coasted by the first few nights posting little, and when they do post its either a vote or non content. Like a post about having a bad role, a little math talk about having a scumcop, and a lot of bread. Like I'm not saying we gotta go for em right away, but we should at least be aware and acknowledge that this pattern of play lets a scum ian just slip by for 3+ rounds unfettered by questioning/prodding.

Good points, although I want to believe ian's proclamation to be more helpful later. Will keep an eye out but as I said earlier he appears sincere to me.

Spoiler for Worked up this huge post, then see DC post, then also see sky post --- and re-read Theresa and realize even hitting a Herscherr/scum still only reports the Core [i:

TYPE[/i] and not the core role. I want to post this still as it contains plenty of research into Link's ISO and possible crumbs despite being based on thinking he would have -known- a red peek if he hit one on N0]DC- it reads as you're presuming Link must have hit a green peek with his N0... do you see evidence of such in Link's ISO?

It could be the case, but in looking it seems like Link was more frequently posting toward what I think could be red peeks... albeit I might expect at some point he would have harder pushed a red peek?

Anyway, now on to the post I was working up when DC posted.

Spoiler for Cal / MW / www3 ???:

The first line RE: kae/moe - feeding in to the moe section/spoiler farther down my post, the way Link attaches these two together here is such that if moe flips scum then I'd bet dollars-to-donuts that Link had a red peek on moe and believes only a town!kae interacts with moe that way... hmmmm. --> Link putting down in essence not-w/w on kae/moe?

Kae was being real silly about moe but I think it makes him towny.

While it's tempting to lynch w3 D1 after he died N0 last game, I'm going to need to see more before I go down that route.

Cal lynch is silly, don't want to lynch dawn since he's half dead already, would rather lynch MW.

No Lynch is only a good idea when it's very unlikely that any top wagon is town and there's not enough time to find a new target. This happened I believe in both 68 and 72. However, in this game even in such a scenario we can just lynch shock which is a +EV play.

If either of these are Link's N0 then he was VERY lightly crumbing... could possible be a green peek on Cal or red peek on MW. However, the latter I would have expected Link to let the push on MW continue instead of the squirrel-trail distraction that the push on shock's mislynch became.

W3 always defends himself a lot, that's not a scumtell.

Could have been a green on www3, but this (and the light mention on www3 above) don't give off any crumb vibes - that is, it feels like more of just a legit Link thought rather than him having inside intel about www3 alignment.

Spoiler for DC ?:

dawn to dusk (1) - killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (3) - worldwideweb3, Calindu, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (4) - PlayerOa, DoubleCapitals, moehrpi, rob77dp
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, TheonlyrealBeef, Submachine

Do I need one?

Someone wanna speed me up on why we are scum reading DC?

Seems like normal DC to me

I honestly have no idea.

DC's delayed response to my deal felt weird at the time, now I think it might be because he was talking to his team about whether to take it. If so his most likely teammate is iancu.

Seeing these together in order like this, it sure feels like Link has a slant toward the scum angle for DC. My problem being that DC was a real wagon and possible lynch on D1 so if Link had a red peek on him N0 why not push that just a slight little bit ??? Him returning back to DC again in his last 4 seconds of life this game sure feels like a strong hint or breadcrumb. In the least, it is a strong scum-read from a now dead town!Link. Ugh, I'm going to keep getting stuck on Link not having more appetite for lynching DC on Day 1 though...

Spoiler for ian ?:

dawn to dusk (1) - killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (6) - Calindu, Coffeeditto, rob77dp, Submachine, PlayerOa, TheonlyrealBeef
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - moehrpi
worldwideweb3 (1) - andretimpa
shockcannon (4) - Naii_the_Baf, DoubleCapitals, MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian
Submachine(1) - worldwideweb3
iancudorinmarian (2) - kaempfer13, Linkcat

CFD?

*repeat quote*

DC's delayed response to my deal felt weird at the time, now I think it might be because he was talking to his team about whether to take it. If so his most likely teammate is iancu.

I guess maybe in a soft sort of way Link's vote on ian was hinting at ian here seeing if he could get necessary traction onto a N0 red peek? He does double-down on ian with his post in his last minute of game-breath.

Spoiler for Moe ? ...... or ?TorB?:

Is it just me or is moe way more confident this game than any other he's played in? Almost like a different person. I think this is the result of him rolling mafia for the first time and finally not being in the dark.

Stop townreading Torb for discussing roles, that's the easiest way for mafia to build towncred.

I will be online for the next ~3 hours and maybe for EOD. Placing my not so confident vote now on MW. He has a low enough post count and little substance in his posts. Still a shot in the dark.

dawn to dusk (2) - rob77dp, killsdazombies
moehrpi (1) - kaempfer13
shockcannon (1) - Linkcat
DoubleCapitals (1) - worldwideweb3
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Calindu (1) - Submachine
MasterWalks (3) - PlayerOa, DoubleCapitals, moehrpi
worldwideweb3 (2) -  iancudorinmarian, TheonlyrealBeef

I don't like this vote at all.

-snip-
removed unrelated statement about how wrong prior-Link was about shock's safety

The former feeling a LOT like a breadcrumb post... maybe Link had a N0 red peek on moe? At the least it is a dying town's scum-lean on moe.

In a softer way -- Link is softly implying maybe scum!TorB in the bolded statement... maybe that was his N0 breadcrumb?

---> I suppose my summary of what I find in Link's ISO about possible crumbs summarizes as:

* Maaayyybe a green peek on Cal
* Maybe a red peek on MW (but I think Link would probably have pushed MW harder D1 given MW was a legit wagon and Link was on EOD1)
* Maayybe a green peek on www3
* Could have had a red peek on DC (but I think Link likely pushes harder for DC lynch D1 given DC was a legit wagon... but Link does revisit a scum-read on DC right before Link is NK'd)
* Could have had a red peek on iancu (he also tried to CFD onto ian - and revisits a continued scum-read on ian right before he is NK'd)
* Maaaaayyyyyyybe a red peek on TorB
* Could have red-peekd moe (as Link suddenly on N1 scumreads moe and doubles-down on that read "not liking" a moe vote post with about an hour before Link is NK'd)

Of this, I see a few green-peeks Link might have crumbed but he has more posts that I could see as being hints about his N0 being a RED peek instead. If I rank them, then it looks something like:

Maybe red on:
ian > DC > moe >> TorB > MW
>> And maybe green on:
ww3 > Cal

Folks we really need to comb Link's posts a little bit at least to try to find his peek's breadcrumb... he openly stated everyone should ABC (always be crumbing) so for sure he followed his own advice, right?

LINK - in your graveyard chat roll over 10 times (privately of course) if it was red on one of the wagons you could have pushed at EOD (MW / DC).
///I'm presuming 100% that Link used N0 and that he successfully learned the Honkai Core ability (scum) or role type (town) of somebody and crumbed it somewhere///

This would make for a very elaborate scum scheme and a shot for mafia MVP. +town cred

You know rob, you arent the only one in that "misunderstood Theresa" boat. Sigh x100

Ironically enough I was also confused at first, posted my erroneous view and later - also publicly - corrected it. I believe it was TorB:

And that after all the trouble I went through to explain it, too

vv

v
Oa
coffee
TorB

n+
Sub
Cal
kdz
moe

n

n-
timpa
kae
ian

w
www3
MW
DC

Very confused about yoru read on Oa but at least your read on me is a bit more understandable now.

Tbh, i dont really see why Cecilia finishing dawn off is particularly scummy. I mean it does go against the consensus of vocal players, but very publicly so; similiar to how shock did, i dont exactly condon going against the grain without even speaking up about it, but as scum!cecilia you are just painting a target on your back. In fact as scum!Cecilia its best to mark many different people, denying us the flip and then finish them off one after the other, ending the game early.

Your last sentence is very good point. At the very least you should mark two players, then kill them before Emma gets a chance to out you. This is even more convenient if one of your peeks is scumread and a vig is seen as towny. I'll put in more thought in it. So far a hunt for Cecilia was my topmost course of action. I guess peeking into a scummy person could even change my perspective. It surely would add a lot of pressure. IF Cecilia really is town her peeking scum could also pressure mafia into a NK if they have any information on her. Keep in mind, though, that this can be used by mafia. Either way I am a bit anxious about this role. :/

As the person to nom Coffee N0 last game, considering a vigi shot on an inactive scummy seems a bit hypocritical from my perspective. I do think it would be save to out Cecilia's identity the next time someone is targeted, but it's NAI for me so far. It would definitely go against my personal play style, so I'll hard claim not Cecilia right here and now.

Then again couldn't a scum Bronya simply "play along" visiting different players setting up multiple mid- late-game additional kills to play it safe if they got hit with one of this games many role-outing roles?

Cecilia? You need to remember that Cecilia reveals their identity to their targets. Personally, just being targeted by one would make me want to lynch them. If they marked multiple targets and Cecilia kills someone town, all the marked targets might want to lynch them. Not sure how you plan to kill multiple targets once your identity is revealed.

Paranoia averted. Disregard most of what I wrote in response to kae. Reading roles is useful sometimes.

cecila vig is scummy, and once found should be lynched.

I don't think anyone targeted by Cecilia will keep quiet about her identity.


// Thinking about Cecilia a bit more and I still find it very scummy. They picked out very low-activity town N0 who then became active. Still they went through with killing them. This screams low hanging fruit so much you don't even need anyone help you pick it. It's just so weird because mafia can hardly make use out of this ability any more... What bug me is that there is no way I could have seen dawn as scummy N1 and went through with my plan to vig him if that was my plan N0. But there weren't too many townreads on him at that point in time? I might read back, phew.

Also, I do like TorB's reads list, there needs to be a major revelation to change my townread on him.


...I'll be with y'all in three pages.

[Calindu]

iancudorinmarian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa, killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
killsdazombies (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - Calindu

Stated previously why I'm scumreading him, he also seems much more confident this game than during all other games I remember,  and very early into the game. Might be because of more information available to him.

[DoubleCapitals]

v
Oa - If he's scum so is Dura and if so, tf y'alls doing scum?
w3 - If he's mafia he should have let me die

n+
Beef - typical of him, the way he's trying to hold back seeing he thinks he knows Dura's identity but doesn't want to give it away seems towny
kae - based on his interaction with shock I feel like he's being honest

n
andre - Is just there, nothing out of the ordinary
kdz - is busy irl
rob - joined my train soon after with the same reasoning though I think either 1 jumped onto the other (mafia would be ballsy to pile both on me) and I'm more inclined to say he's playing pretty similarly to last time. Sans the salt :^)
Cal - exists. He's talking a bit more now though (and if you see this, I did not mean to say that you should talk more to the point it affects IRL - I merely named you because I was replying to shock who mentioned you as well)
Naii - Confused town or maf who didn't give a shit EoD1. If the former, makes MW more towny
moe - His initial confusion about softclaims and the like seems NAI, I don't really see the confidence everyone talks about

n-
ian - don't like the way he reacted when he got pushed
MW - If you assume one of the trains between me w3 and him are scum, it'll have to be him
Coffee - I can't seem to shake off that bias that he's talking way more than he did last game, but regardless I feel like he latched on me yesterday with rather weak arguments.

Parking my vote in case college fucks me tonight

iancudorinmarian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa, killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
killsdazombies (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (2) - Calindu, DoubleCapitals

[iancudorinmarian]

It's nice to see people voting a long time before EOD, but we're still almost at a 3-way tie again.

If you're going to lynch me, just do it already.

Before I die, here's the solved game mafia team: w3, TorB/roB, MW

[kaempfer13]

Darn, I'm working in the afternoon so have to rush out my readlist now. I had the impression that there are too many people who dont really solve much atp, making it easy (and statistically probable) for 1-2scum to hide among them. Unfortunately, its not like shooting at random among them is very likely to end in success, so I just need more people to try harder or glasses. If coffee and andre can do it, so can you!