Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[rob77dp]

iancudorinmarian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - worldwideweb3

I will do an ISO on all soon, but for now

[rob77dp]

kae - I don't have the mental fortitude nor spare time to spend this game to go down the rabbit hole of us just going around and around in a thunderdome-esque fashion. Does everything I say or post as I play make perfect sense all the time? No, I'm human. Do I have a tendency to often hone in on specifics that may not ultimately matter but I try to find purpose or intent in it? Yes, it's in my nature. I have other suspicions I want to prioritize using my time to try to sus out and read further.

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As the person to nom Coffee N0 last game, considering a vigi shot on an inactive scummy seems a bit hypocritical from my perspective. I do think it would be save to out Cecilia's identity the next time someone is targeted, but it's NAI for me so far. It would definitely go against my personal play style, so I'll hard claim not Cecilia right here and now.

Then again couldn't a scum Bronya simply "play along" visiting different players setting up multiple mid- late-game additional kills to play it safe if they got hit with one of this games many role-outing roles?

Cecilia? You need to remember that Cecilia reveals their identity to their targets. Personally, just being targeted by one would make me want to lynch them. If they marked multiple targets and Cecilia kills someone town, all the marked targets might want to lynch them. Not sure how you plan to kill multiple targets once your identity is revealed.

TorB, my N0 shot last game and the double-tap by Cecelia on dawn this game are quite different. I shot a 0-poster, dawn was low-activity, got dinged once and started coming into it a little bit. I had a one-night use-it-or-lose it chance, Cecelia here is premeditation. And I'm still quite conflicted as to whether it was scummy or towny for someone to Cecelia-snipe dawn like that first two nights of the game... scum would knowingly be skirting a very challenging uphill battle for doing it, but as you can see so far mostly got away with it if they are mafia!Cecelia; town would be understandably shy and probably a bit worried to out that they would face a stiff opposition to get off the hook. I will say that a town!Cecelia should have considered the cost of doing that snipe on dawn and been prepared to face the public outcry - I know I was ready for it when I sniped last game, yet here they still hide. Surely you can see why that would be viewed as scummy? I also admit that my premise here of "the two vig shots this and last game are vastly different" comes into play on my last statement there about "be ready to defend yourself" since I knew my shot would be outed by the host post whereas Cecelia this game could have decided to snipe without fully preparing to face the game at-large.

--> The vig shots are different. I want and we need to stop comparing them probably.
--> I think Cecelia has plenty of scum- or town-equity from this depending on how you review it.
--> I am undecided about whether they should claim as it likely turns this days' vote into a big push against/away from that one person... do we need that right now?

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@TorB-
Your read on DC is that his posts have become increasingly more useful since he had D1 pressure/lynch votes on him. Can you show a few examples of posts you were thinking of as you typed out your general-feel-read on DC?

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Spoiler for DoubleCapitals | n:

Posts have become increasingly useful after getting some lynch votes D1, I need to remember this for future mafias

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And I was going to question your read on timpa... but then I realized in a quick ISO of timpa that he has been a bit more - "involved" (is that the right word?) this game than I remember him last game or a ways back when he and I scummed together.

--> As I look at timpa's readlist I notice 2/3 of his n- reads (the scummiest he went on the scale) died last night and the lone standout is ian who timpa is now voting on. Nothing fishy there I guess... but @timpa - have you updated or progressed any reads in the last 3 days' time? Who are you scum-reading besides ian right now? Any townreads outside of TorB / Oa / Coffee and/or have they moved down at all? etc...

[rob77dp]

Eh, while I heavily disagree with the decision on shooting d2d, it does not mean Cecilia is (or should be, for that matter) a dead man walking.

Why would the Linkcat NK throw shade on Cocolia? While we won't know for sure, there probably is one, but then again, it's only a 3/16 chance he would find Link, given Cocolia is town. And even then, I feel like Theresa's generally been considered somewhat... overrated. Especially at this stage. It could prove to be useful lategame, but there are, in my opinion, better roles in the current state of the game. Most likely they killed off Link purely because they know the resource he can turn out to be for town.

Oa- you seem to have rested quite well given you are pretty close to a consensus town-read (albeit a few people, myself included) that managed to avoid at least two dangerous situations (Cecelia targeted dawn again and Link was NK)... thoughts on that? Hmm, you posit that Link _might_ have been NK just as a way of mafia trying to kill a town that is know to push and solve throughout the game as town --- how much does that thought process leave you wanting to give a bit of credence to Link's dying reads??

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@timpa - have you updated or progressed any reads in the last 3 days' time? Who are you scum-reading besides ian right now? Any townreads outside of TorB / Oa / Coffee and/or have they moved down at all? etc...

---> Cue me finding this a few minutes later... I really don't have the proper time to devote to the game right now.......

During the night my reads remained mostly the same (only exception being my scumlean on dawn softening a bit, but that's not relevant anymore). I'll be voting for now on the only surviving n- on my list


iancudorinmarian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa

[rob77dp]

by the way, I am crafting a post

[rob77dp]

Where is everybody at? During the few hours I can carve out in the evening to sit and play I'm reduced to hollering into the void with myself back-to-back posting left to simply read during the day without able to post much.... 

Don't worry Link; I'll protect you tonight.

what happened to this?

here’s a couple of things, the obvious and the wifom:
1. I was roleswapping, as Link was (but apparently wasn’t)
2. I was driven away

am I roleswapping now? who knows

What the heck is roleswapping? And what does driven away mean - I wasn't aware of a way to drive a saving role away that leaves the NK intact on a target?? What I had seen discussed and made sense to me was that the redirect role was high(est) enough priority to effectively not be something that could be used (on purpose by scum or incidentally by town) to prevent a NK save --- but that seems to be what you're softing here Coffee. (DO NOT out in response - I don't need to know your role or not your role etc. but want to understand what you're getting on about)

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I'm left to continue talking to myself for a bit longer before I have to leave again - luck you!

MW - what is this? You're scumreading me because Link was the NK?? That doesn't compute (trying to avoid WIFOM scenarios here, but eh)... you have no other stronger scumleans or suspiciouns at this point now that shock is dead whom you say you scumread for redirecting kae on N0 as now-flipped-town!Rita-shock? Then you don't really want to lynch either of moe or myself, your top two scumreads... What gives? Seems quite shaky to me... but it is certainly appreciated (or more) that you're putting things out there [alignment TBD].

iancudorinmarian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa

Gonna park it here for now.
My only reads are Rob and Moe and both sit at N-. Rob simply because link was lynched right away. I really hate to base a read off an assumption, but i dont have much more.
Moe is really just kinda off. Yea he seems to have a lotta confidence this game and one of the first things i said at the start of this mafia is anyone who really really know the rules well and are confident with them should have some sus since mafia has a pad where they can discuss them. If i say anymore i will be hypocritical for basing a read off earlier games while telling everyone to stop doing it to me. Really, its just an unusual confidence thing. Dont change moe.

I dont really want to lynch either of them but i think Rob would give more info than moe. I N F O L Y N C H.
Really tho, if someone can come forward with any reason to vote someone thats not Rob or Moe, ill be right on it.

[killsdazombies]

If it makes you feel better I am reading everything you are posting rob

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kdz - good to know actually! I will read and keep up to -date and TRY to be on at EOD this time too. I take it if you thought I was way off base or out in left field on something, you'd have called me on it or interrupted my ten (was it 9 or 10?) straight repeat posts. 

WTF?!? I haven't had Naii in any readlist yet? Other than my initial partial reads list, I have not had Naii in at all... how did I overlook that and how did nobody catch/question it until now?!

Naii sits at 'n' on my reads... having been a scum-ping for the vote that Link called him on - but the explanation I guess made sense enough. Then this reads list comes across OK too - so neutral read for now. Other than his list goes from v to n- then stops and has me in n- yet he states finding me actually 'null'?? But a read list that has no little oddity to it or such tends to be scummier than towny I think.

--> Naii still neutral for me.

(Trying to fit in several Naii reads here since I left him out for so many already)

It is good when there are wagons forming on multiple mafia.

Are we missing something, www3? Please elaborate on this statement.


Reads(not in descending order):
vv

v
TorB ─ Mainly useful to town, and I've had little to no qualms with his statements.
Oa ─ Durandal target. Not vv since Durandal might be scum, and I'm inclined to distrust more than I am inclined to trust.
kae ─ While his playstyle looks a little too aggressive in my perspective, it does seem like he's attempting to win as town more than anything.
moe ─ I didn't bother to read much into him after some of those damn big posts, but I agree with most of the statements in what I did read.

n+
MW ─ Mostly because of the actions he's taken during the game. There is some stuff he's done so far that I don't think scum should do, and he's been doing well enough so far, in my perspective.

n
andre ─ He hasn't given much that would make me lean one way or the other. I do like several of his comments, however.
Sub ─ The opposite of andre; has things that make me lean both ways. His most notable play so far was his scumread on me because of my D1 MW vote and justification, which I find towny for the most part, but there is also some stuff that seems somewhat odd to me (minor stuff, though).

n-
www3 ─ I am genuinely confused about this man's intentions and comments. n- because gut and some of his posts.
rob ─ Has excluded me from every reads list (jk, actually null)
Calindu ─ There's very few posts from him. Would be n if not for this.

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Anyone not in the list is a null read.


Also, here's my vote.

iancudorinmarian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa, killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
killsdazombies (1) - worldwideweb3

[Coffeeditto]

by the way, I am crafting a post

the post will have to wait for now.

Where is everybody at? During the few hours I can carve out in the evening to sit and play I'm reduced to hollering into the void with myself back-to-back posting left to simply read during the day without able to post much.... 

Don't worry Link; I'll protect you tonight.

what happened to this?

here’s a couple of things, the obvious and the wifom:
1. I was roleswapping, as Link was (but apparently wasn’t)
2. I was driven away

am I roleswapping now? who knows

What the heck is roleswapping? And what does driven away mean - I wasn't aware of a way to drive a saving role away that leaves the NK intact on a target?? What I had seen discussed and made sense to me was that the redirect role was high(est) enough priority to effectively not be something that could be used (on purpose by scum or incidentally by town) to prevent a NK save --- but that seems to be what you're softing here Coffee. (DO NOT out in response - I don't need to know your role or not your role etc. but want to understand what you're getting on about)

A roleswap is when you claim or soft a role that you aren't to bait a vig hit or night kill away from the actual role. Here, Link and I were roleswapping for the Dura and Fua. (or maybe not, considering Link flipped Theresa)

When I say 'driven away', I mean I was possibly targeted by the Raiden and swapped my doc save on Link to someone else. (Not that I am claiming Fua here)