Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[worldwideweb3]

cecila vig is scummy, and once found should be lynched.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Spoiler for Cecilia Shariac(offensive):

Feel free to target neutral/inactive players once each, since this does not kill them. Targeting mafia as town will make you a very likely NK target, however.

scum!cecilia you are just painting a target on your back. In fact as scum!Cecilia its best to mark many different people, denying us the flip and then finish them off one after the other, ending the game early.

Okay so... is following this plan towny or scummy now...? Damned if you do damned if you didn't I guess

I already pointed out that targeting once reveals the target Cecilia's name + role. So I deem kaempfer13's statement here false (all the survivors can reveal Cecilia's identity once a single town dies). The action they did now was the easiest way to get away with a town kill.

[kaempfer13]

I mean if you assume that killing a town is automatically scummy your logic makes sense, otherwise there would be no real issue with people knowing who you are.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Well, judging by the amount of people wanting to kill Cecilia now, I would definitely think it to be a problem. All their targets would start to feel especially uncomfortable, don't you think?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Well, I did promise a read list.

Spoiler for reads:

Spoiler for PlayerOa | v:

Durandal target. Useful posts with reads list that seems to mostly match my train of thoughts. We even made the exact same lynch vote on the exact same second at some point during EoD1. Precognition OP. My actual read is slightly different in the direction (relative to n) I read they whom I suspect to be Durandal.

Spoiler for Coffeeditto | n+:

Enjoying the town strategy talks.

Spoiler for moehrpi | n+:

A lot of good discussion points.

Spoiler for andretimpa | n+:

Useful posts with reads list that seems to mostly match my train of thoughts. Seems quite different from mafia andretimpa last game from my point of view.

Spoiler for killsdazombies | n+:

Inactive at the start, but apparently that was planned and NAI. I remember being really distrustful last game and finding these reasons to count as "convenient excuses", but kdz was town then, too. Posts seem good enough, but not reading any alignment from it. Agreeable reads list.

Spoiler for kaempfer13 | n+:

Seems a bit too aggressive on points I consider completely useless like the dice roll thing (wtf). Other than that, his own read on me seems to reflect mine on him as well

just like last time we disagree about some mechanics, but now i know that that isnt sus for him. He puts out a lot of content and is making sense so I put him at n+

Spoiler for rob77dp | n+:

I'm a bit baffled about the number of contradictions I find in rob's posts. In fact, I find them to be so numerous that I would have expected rob to be better at thinking up a consistent story as mafia.

I hate mechanics talk - but in a game so HEAVILY reliant on understanding and discussing roles like this one is I find myself somewhat forced into discussing mechanics. FYI - mafia tend to love discussing mechanics.

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Coffee and I are having a lot of mechanics talk, which seem to be a significant part of our town reads. I mean, I do not mind, but neither do I understand

Spoiler for DoubleCapitals | n:

Posts have become increasingly useful after getting some lynch votes D1, I need to remember this for future mafias

Spoiler for Submachine | n:

Hey, um, Link. I just want to get it out of the way for transparency's sake. I get the feeling that you are a bit unmotivated. I will not say that is scummy, and I will not compare it to previous games. But can you explain why you are keeping a low profile this time? I believe it is for the greater good if everybody heard your explanation, if you have any.

You can also try to keep a low profile because you have a power role like Link did. Fishy fishy?

Finally people are realizing that www has been playing scummy so far. There is only one logical scenario where I can imagine www doing this as town, but this is not the way to do it, and he should rather take inspiration from shockcannon in that case.

I am still waiting for an explanation on why you think w3 is scum, Sub. Right now, this seems like a very opportunistic vote, potentially to try and start a competing wagon to save a mafia buddy.

The overall read is still neutral, but you'll have to forgive me for being extremely skeptical after last game

Spoiler for Naii_the_Baf | n:

Not much to go on aside from the MW vote, that does not look particularly good.

Spoiler for Calindu | n:

Even if you survived up until an F3 again like last mafia, you would get lynched again regardless of alignment. Please do not let it come down to that. I want to see more posts that help town o:

Spoiler for MasterWalks | n-:

If you really want to improve your game, you will really have to at least try posting something more useful than trying to defend yourself. It's better to try and fail, than to never try and get voted off for inactivity.

Spoiler for worldwideweb3 | n-:

When you have so many posts yet so little content. Actively tried to distract from useful conversations during N0 and D1, then suddenly went silent N1. In fact, I scum lean shitposting and shit posting in general. At least Linkcat still made funny enough shitposts to be worth reading.

Spoiler for iancudorinmarian | n-:

If anything, we should be looking at people that are actually trying too hard to keep the same gameplay.

Someone already pointed out the irony of this statement, but there we go. Like, imagine having a meaningful discussion about something. Can't have that. Mostly lynch voting now to prevent a blitz lynch later, giving ian no time to come up with a defense or meaningful claims that would help town as town.

Conclusions may not always seem to match the points I bring up, just that those are the ones that stand out. Rest would then come from a more general feel.

[iancudorinmarian]

iancudorinmarian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian

Maybe the lynchtrain will work this time.

[Calindu]

Sorry for not contributing much, didn't have the time to put effort into this, I'll try to be more active, but I will still post sparingly.

Cecilia is probably mafia given that they went against the town plan and killed dawn on the spot, when he wasn't that inactive and he even declared he got targeted by Cecilia, so little chance in him being mafia. Will report the name if I ever get targeted. In fact, I hope everyone does the same.

dawn to dusk (1) - killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (3) - Calindu, Coffeeditto, rob77dp
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - PlayerOa, moehrpi
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, TheonlyrealBeef, Submachine, andretimpa
shockcannon (4) - Naii_the_Baf, DoubleCapitals, Linkcat, MasterWalks
iancudorinmarian(1) - kaempfer13
Submachine(1) - worldwideweb3

Dont wanna lycnh W3 yet.
Dont wanna lynch DC yet.
Dont wanna No Lynch.

Ill go with the scummiest person on this list that isnt moe.

I didnt vote shock based on prior games. I voted due to him being prime suspect for targeting kae for no real reason with a disrupting role. Thats really the scummiest thing that happend the whole night and day phases so why not. It was shock, no lynch, or inactives before EoD shenanigans happened. Sucks we hit a town but what other option did we have?

This vote feels weird, maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any explanation of why he voted on shock before voting and the explanation after seems really scummy, since I don't see why scum!Rita would target kae like that, unless in very special circumstances. Feels like he tried to protect one of www3 or DC.

[Calindu]

Also, not sure exactly why people overthink that much about Linkcat's role, there's a very small chance he actually found scum, given that almost no roles were claimed, making it almost impossible to find scum just using that.
Given that it's Linkcat, he could have been NKed for any reason really, but this does throw some shade on Cocolia if found.

[PlayerOa]

Eh, while I heavily disagree with the decision on shooting d2d, it does not mean Cecilia is (or should be, for that matter) a dead man walking.

Why would the Linkcat NK throw shade on Cocolia? While we won't know for sure, there probably is one, but then again, it's only a 3/16 chance he would find Link, given Cocolia is town. And even then, I feel like Theresa's generally been considered somewhat... overrated. Especially at this stage. It could prove to be useful lategame, but there are, in my opinion, better roles in the current state of the game. Most likely they killed off Link purely because they know the resource he can turn out to be for town.

[PlayerOa]

iancudorinmarian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa

I'll drop off a vote on one of the guys on my watchlist for now, giving another train alternative.

[MasterWalks]

iancudorinmarian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp
rob77dp (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa

Gonna park it here for now.
My only reads are Rob and Moe and both sit at N-. Rob simply because link was lynched right away. I really hate to base a read off an assumption, but i dont have much more.
Moe is really just kinda off. Yea he seems to have a lotta confidence this game and one of the first things i said at the start of this mafia is anyone who really really know the rules well and are confident with them should have some sus since mafia has a pad where they can discuss them. If i say anymore i will be hypocritical for basing a read off earlier games while telling everyone to stop doing it to me. Really, its just an unusual confidence thing. Dont change moe.

I dont really want to lynch either of them but i think Rob would give more info than moe. I N F O L Y N C H.
Really tho, if someone can come forward with any reason to vote someone thats not Rob or Moe, ill be right on it.

[andretimpa]

My thoughts on what happened:

Cecilia killing dawn was a bad play imo. I'd be okay with it had dawn remained completely silent or had just made a single post to avoid a modkill. Instead he started being more active in N1. imo the better play would have been to target Cal to put some pressure on him to participate a bit more. Also, with the amount of people wanting to lynch Cecilia right now, I doubt even a town!Cecilia would step forward.

About Link being the NK. I doubt Link found anything relevant in N0, given how vague the information Theresa gets is (I think he'd have to collect info for some nights and compare with role claims to start drawing conclusions). Most likely it was either Core of Reason in N0 or Theresa was the juiciest role a mafia!Cocolia had. It could also just been that mafia wanted to get Link out of the way before he started getting any protection.