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kaempfer13 · « **Reply #756 on:** July 13, 2020, 09:57:11 am »

Slight townlean on everyone that thought that theresa was a much more powerfull role than it is, as scum would probably have questioned why there should be 2 true cops in the game, one of which is er. Hm, this conflicts with my rob read so far.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #757 on:** July 13, 2020, 10:14:04 am »

So rob, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with this potential derpclear. Why do you not apply your principles consistently? You shot down several attempts of people to do townier things, just because it doesnt match your memory of their townplay, but then refused to do the inverse when coreected, even though you think activity is important and you are kind of discouraging people to post with your behaviour. You only seem to want to apply metareads when they result in a scumread.

rob77dp · « **Reply #758 on:** July 13, 2020, 11:48:19 am »

Quote from: kaempfer13 on July 13, 2020, 10:14:04 am

So rob, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with this potential derpclear. Why do you not apply your principles consistently? You shot down several attempts of people to do townier things, just because it doesnt match your memory of their townplay, but then refused to do the inverse when coreected, even though you think activity is important and you are kind of discouraging people to post with your behaviour. You only seem to want to apply metareads when they result in a scumread.

because I think everyone is a noob incapable of properly matching their town meta when they roll scum? Nah half kidding. I often find myself seeing it difficult for another to "play like they do as town" when they're mafia and the world is clearer than when town... I'm not hard pushing you because I think our squabble doesn't deserve a thunderdome and we can settle our differences as the game develops if needed. Link had an instance of a townlean on you due to his scumread on moe, so your simply bumped to my n- group at the time.

Also, got to wrapped up in Link-crumb searching to do this last night, but I'm giving shifts to reads based on some of Link's reads, he's the most confirmed town (as for shock I don't need to wreck myself looking too deep there, and I'll also do similar with dawn to an extent but haven't time yet to revisit his reads and any "dying wishes"):

vv

v
Oa
coffee
TorB

n+
Sub
Cal
kdz
moe

n

n-
timpa
kae
ian

w
www3
MW
DC

rob77dp · « **Reply #759 on:** July 13, 2020, 11:54:04 am »

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These would be fine competing wagons to start the day with... Could add in moe or MW too but these here are a great place to begin.

rob77dp · « **Reply #760 on:** July 13, 2020, 12:14:26 pm »

So it looks like dawn's scumreads were MW\DC\www3. \\how convenient for me aligning with mine and now he's dead\\ $:-\$

It seems unlikely dawn was killed for accuracy of his scumreads given I have similar and I've been much more vocals on them than I saw dawn doing... What other good reason exists outside of Cecelia being scum -- unless some brazen townie went all in thinking dawn was lying on his hardclaim-not-Bronya? (Sidenote Bronya is assured at 1 voting power today, if they're in the game) Then again couldn't a scum Bronya simply "play along" visiting different players setting up multiple mid- late-game additional kills to play it safe if they got hit with one of this games many role-outing roles?

--> my reads don't already much weighing in dead town!dawn reads but his do reinforce some reads I already had.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #761 on:** July 13, 2020, 12:17:23 pm »

DC is actually my biggest townread according to wagonomics. Unless you believe scum tried raising various different cws until sth sticks absolutely no effort went into saving DC.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #762 on:** July 13, 2020, 12:20:25 pm »

Speaking of wagonomics, a larger update than usual during the night:

Spoiler for lynchlog:

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #763 on:** July 13, 2020, 12:25:56 pm »

Tbh, i dont really see why Cecilia finishing dawn off is particularly scummy. I mean it does go against the consensus of vocal players, but very publicly so; similiar to how shock did, i dont exactly condon going against the grain without even speaking up about it, but as scum!cecilia you are just painting a target on your back. In fact as scum!Cecilia its best to mark many different people, denying us the flip and then finish them off one after the other, ending the game early.

TheonlyrealBeef · « **Reply #764 on:** July 13, 2020, 12:39:48 pm »

As the person to nom Coffee N0 last game, considering a vigi shot on an inactive scummy seems a bit hypocritical from my perspective. I do think it would be save to out Cecilia's identity the next time someone is targeted, but it's NAI for me so far. It would definitely go against my personal play style, so I'll hard claim not Cecilia right here and now.

Quote from: rob77dp on July 13, 2020, 12:14:26 pm

Then again couldn't a scum Bronya simply "play along" visiting different players setting up multiple mid- late-game additional kills to play it safe if they got hit with one of this games many role-outing roles?

Cecilia? You need to remember that Cecilia reveals their identity to their targets. Personally, just being targeted by one would make me want to lynch them. If they marked multiple targets and Cecilia kills someone town, all the marked targets might want to lynch them. Not sure how you plan to kill multiple targets once your identity is revealed.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #765 on:** July 13, 2020, 12:40:16 pm »

Quote from: rob77dp on July 13, 2020, 12:14:26 pm

So it looks like dawn's scumreads were MW\DC\www3. \\how convenient for me aligning with mine and now he's dead\\ $:-\$

It seems unlikely dawn was killed for accuracy of his scumreads given I have similar and I've been much more vocals on them than I saw dawn doing... What other good reason exists outside of Cecelia being scum -- unless some brazen townie went all in thinking dawn was lying on his hardclaim-not-Bronya? (Sidenote Bronya is assured at 1 voting power today, if they're in the game) Then again couldn't a scum Bronya simply "play along" visiting different players setting up multiple mid- late-game additional kills to play it safe if they got hit with one of this games many role-outing roles?

--> my reads don't already much weighing in dead town!dawn reads but his do reinforce some reads I already had.

F, sit down! I demand a complete rewrite, as you are contradicting yourself multiple times.

Anyway Ill just address everything you wrote until I get the number of negations that makes sense with your conclusion.

If dawn was killed for his reads by scum!cecilia, dawn was marked n0 because its in line with torbs plan and finished off now because its fast and scum were really scared of dawn being a major factor in voting?
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Why exactly should dawn only be killed by town!Cecilia if he's bronya? You're acting like its the only reason to scumread someone. Sure the potential to swingvote if bronya would have added to dawns scum-equity if bronya, but claiming not-bronya merely nullifies that point and doesnt make him conftown.

Your last point I would take as scum!cecilia would not want to kill dawn now, as it makes more sense, but it doesnt match your conclusion at all. In case you actually meant bronya, I'm sure she would stick to consensus of not using role regardless of alignement. In case you meant town!cecilia would visit multiple people before making a kill I suppose the logic would be that they should only pull the trigger if consensus of town would want them lynched, but we can just ask cecilia to do it instead?

worldwideweb3 · « **Reply #766 on:** July 13, 2020, 01:06:50 pm »

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I will do an ISO on all soon, but for now

DoubleCapitals · « **Reply #767 on:** July 13, 2020, 01:38:54 pm »

Quote from: TheonlyrealBeef on July 06, 2020, 09:29:53 pm

Spoiler for Cecilia Shariac(offensive):
Feel free to target neutral/inactive players once each, since this does not kill them. Targeting mafia as town will make you a very likely NK target, however.

Quote from: kaempfer13 on July 13, 2020, 12:25:56 pm

scum!cecilia you are just painting a target on your back. In fact as scum!Cecilia its best to mark many different people, denying us the flip and then finish them off one after the other, ending the game early.

Okay so... is following this plan towny or scummy now...? Damned if you do damned if you didn't I guess

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