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Please check all hours that would work for you as the deadline for each phase.

0 GMT
8 (5.7%)
1 GMT
7 (5%)
2 GMT
7 (5%)
3 GMT
7 (5%)
4 GMT
7 (5%)
5 GMT
4 (2.8%)
6 GMT
4 (2.8%)
7 GMT
4 (2.8%)
8 GMT
4 (2.8%)
9 GMT
5 (3.5%)
10 GMT
5 (3.5%)
11 GMT
4 (2.8%)
12 GMT
3 (2.1%)
13 GMT
2 (1.4%)
14 GMT
3 (2.1%)
15 GMT
4 (2.8%)
16 GMT
3 (2.1%)
17 GMT
5 (3.5%)
18 GMT
9 (6.4%)
19 GMT
9 (6.4%)
20 GMT
11 (7.8%)
21 GMT
9 (6.4%)
22 GMT
9 (6.4%)
23 GMT
8 (5.7%)

Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:29:25 pm

Poll

What kind of setup do you want to see next?

Run the standard setup with minor adjustments.
7 (26.9%)
Run a closed setup designed by Linkcat.
8 (30.8%)
Run a game with all Fate Eggs.
7 (26.9%)
Run an even sillier game just to mess around.
4 (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 13

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:47:45 pm

Poll

What to do about Who's Online?

Allow free use of it.
9 (52.9%)
Ban use of it during the last couple hours of each phase.
3 (17.6%)
Ban use of it completely.
5 (29.4%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 11:26:23 pm

Poll

Who played the best mafia?

Linkcat
1 (2.5%)
TheonlyrealBeef
16 (40%)
shockcannon
0 (0%)
PlayerOa
1 (2.5%)
iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
worldwideweb3
1 (2.5%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
0 (0%)
dawn_to_dusk
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
6 (15%)
Submachine
0 (0%)
killsdazombies
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
7 (17.5%)
rob77dp
3 (7.5%)
DoubleCapitals
1 (2.5%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Naii_the_Baf
0 (0%)
moehrpi13
4 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: August 09, 2020, 10:51:45 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300307#msg1300307
« Reply #744 on: July 13, 2020, 04:53:06 am »
I tried writing up a read list, but I found myself just writing nonsense about people I didn't have a read on to justify having a lot of people in N, so i'll just save us the theatrics

Oa - V - Vibing with oa right now. I'm picking up a lot of what they are putting down, and I agree on most points. 

Torb - N+ - I've mentioned my thoughts on torb breaking the tie, but I've really been alright with most of what they were saying.

DC - N+ - Playing how I expect DC to play. Very memey and passive, but this is the first I've seen DC get some real honest pressure, and they reacted pretty reasonably. Also they'll probably get bussed late game because someone does EoD antics while DC is asleep (5 am eod is rough as hell. Rip in peace)

Ian - N- - Has a good amount of posts, but very few of them really contain uhhh content. Now I shit post a lot too, but it feels very similar to 73, a game ian was mafia and just coasted by the first few nights posting little, and when they do post its either a vote or non content. Like a post about having a bad role, a little math talk about having a scumcop, and a lot of bread. Like I'm not saying we gotta go for em right away, but we should at least be aware and acknowledge that this pattern of play lets a scum ian just slip by for 3+ rounds unfettered by questioning/prodding.

Cali - N- - 4 posts

Naii - N? - I'm seeing a lot of panic here, and that to me is indicative of mafia. Linkcat made a decent point about them though, and their justification for a pretty bad vote felt valid. I want to put them as an N-, but it seems to change by the second

www3- N - I don't really see why a www3 train formed and got so much traction. Even Linkcat was on them for a while, but I think that was just a meme tbh. Maybe someone else can fill me in but I haven't picked up anything really sus from them, and their reactions all felt pretty okay to me.

The Folks with changed playstyles - MW/Moe/Coffee - Neutral across the board, with a slight town bump for coffee. These three are all playing a bit different then their last games, moe is more confident, MW is trying to play a bit more purposefully, and coffee is actually alive. Eyes should be on them, but I don't think they should be condemned for playing in their space

Everyone else - Idk, N. I either haven't gotten a good read on you, am still processing and trying to find a conclusion, or ???



Honestly, out of everyone I'd like to vote / put some pressure on Ian, Cali or Naii, and I'd really like to not do it within a few hours of EoD too. If someone has a better idea or a better read somewhere I'd like to hear it but we gotta be talking. I'm actually surprised Rob and Kae aren't blowing up the thread tbh.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300308#msg1300308
« Reply #745 on: July 13, 2020, 05:05:58 am »
Spoiler for Abilities sorted by type:
ER
Raiden Mei - Phantom Image
Theresa Apocalypse - Spear of Judgement
Fu Hua - Phoenix Rebirth
Rita Rossweisse - Rose Petals
Cecilia Schariac - Abyssal Flower
Frederica Tesla - Radio Wave
Lieserl Einstein - Theory of Relativity
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Emma Planck - Atomic Signature
Core of Reason - Global Analysis

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Core of Death - Rapid Decay

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Himeko Murata - Field of Blades
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Core of Void - Black Hole

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Sin Mal - Soul Funeral

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Bronya Zaychik - Charge Beam
Seele Vollerei - Quantum State
Cocolia - Surveillance Network
Core of Binding - Binding Chains

I'm thinking whether Link could have hit anything useful and was trying to crumb anything related to this... I'm leaning towards no, otherwise I'd have expected Link to talk a bit more rather than just go for shock.

That, or he targetted shock with his ability which I would rule out because why burn it on someone who would eat the N0 vig
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300309#msg1300309
« Reply #746 on: July 13, 2020, 05:23:03 am »
Please note that #U is its own ability type. Theresa's ability will not report the specific number of uses.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300310#msg1300310
« Reply #747 on: July 13, 2020, 05:33:38 am »
Spoiler for Worked up this huge post, then see DC post, then also see sky post --- and re-read Theresa and realize even hitting a Herscherr/scum still only reports the Core [i:
TYPE[/i] and not the core role. I want to post this still as it contains plenty of research into Link's ISO and possible crumbs despite being based on thinking he would have -known- a red peek if he hit one on N0]DC- it reads as you're presuming Link must have hit a green peek with his N0... do you see evidence of such in Link's ISO?

It could be the case, but in looking it seems like Link was more frequently posting toward what I think could be red peeks... albeit I might expect at some point he would have harder pushed a red peek?

Anyway, now on to the post I was working up when DC posted.

Spoiler for Cal / MW / www3 ???:
The first line RE: kae/moe - feeding in to the moe section/spoiler farther down my post, the way Link attaches these two together here is such that if moe flips scum then I'd bet dollars-to-donuts that Link had a red peek on moe and believes only a town!kae interacts with moe that way... hmmmm. --> Link putting down in essence not-w/w on kae/moe?
Kae was being real silly about moe but I think it makes him towny.

While it's tempting to lynch w3 D1 after he died N0 last game, I'm going to need to see more before I go down that route.

Cal lynch is silly, don't want to lynch dawn since he's half dead already, would rather lynch MW.

No Lynch is only a good idea when it's very unlikely that any top wagon is town and there's not enough time to find a new target. This happened I believe in both 68 and 72. However, in this game even in such a scenario we can just lynch shock which is a +EV play.
If either of these are Link's N0 then he was VERY lightly crumbing... could possible be a green peek on Cal or red peek on MW. However, the latter I would have expected Link to let the push on MW continue instead of the squirrel-trail distraction that the push on shock's mislynch became.

W3 always defends himself a lot, that's not a scumtell.
Could have been a green on www3, but this (and the light mention on www3 above) don't give off any crumb vibes - that is, it feels like more of just a legit Link thought rather than him having inside intel about www3 alignment.

Spoiler for DC ?:
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DoubleCapitals (3) - worldwideweb3, Calindu, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (4) - PlayerOa, DoubleCapitals, moehrpi, rob77dp
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, TheonlyrealBeef, Submachine

Do I need one?

Someone wanna speed me up on why we are scum reading DC?

Seems like normal DC to me

I honestly have no idea.

DC's delayed response to my deal felt weird at the time, now I think it might be because he was talking to his team about whether to take it. If so his most likely teammate is iancu.
Seeing these together in order like this, it sure feels like Link has a slant toward the scum angle for DC. My problem being that DC was a real wagon and possible lynch on D1 so if Link had a red peek on him N0 why not push that just a slight little bit ??? Him returning back to DC again in his last 4 seconds of life this game sure feels like a strong hint or breadcrumb. In the least, it is a strong scum-read from a now dead town!Link. Ugh, I'm going to keep getting stuck on Link not having more appetite for lynching DC on Day 1 though...

Spoiler for ian ?:
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DoubleCapitals (6) - Calindu, Coffeeditto, rob77dp, Submachine, PlayerOa, TheonlyrealBeef
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - moehrpi
worldwideweb3 (1) - andretimpa
shockcannon (4) - Naii_the_Baf, DoubleCapitals, MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian
Submachine(1) - worldwideweb3
iancudorinmarian (2) - kaempfer13, Linkcat

CFD?

*repeat quote*
DC's delayed response to my deal felt weird at the time, now I think it might be because he was talking to his team about whether to take it. If so his most likely teammate is iancu.
I guess maybe in a soft sort of way Link's vote on ian was hinting at ian here seeing if he could get necessary traction onto a N0 red peek? He does double-down on ian with his post in his last minute of game-breath.

Spoiler for Moe ? ...... or ?TorB?:
Is it just me or is moe way more confident this game than any other he's played in? Almost like a different person. I think this is the result of him rolling mafia for the first time and finally not being in the dark.

Stop townreading Torb for discussing roles, that's the easiest way for mafia to build towncred.

I will be online for the next ~3 hours and maybe for EOD. Placing my not so confident vote now on MW. He has a low enough post count and little substance in his posts. Still a shot in the dark.

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moehrpi (1) - kaempfer13
shockcannon (1) - Linkcat
DoubleCapitals (1) - worldwideweb3
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Calindu (1) - Submachine
MasterWalks (3) - PlayerOa, DoubleCapitals, moehrpi
worldwideweb3 (2) -  iancudorinmarian, TheonlyrealBeef

I don't like this vote at all.

-snip-
removed unrelated statement about how wrong prior-Link was about shock's safety

The former feeling a LOT like a breadcrumb post... maybe Link had a N0 red peek on moe? At the least it is a dying town's scum-lean on moe.

In a softer way -- Link is softly implying maybe scum!TorB in the bolded statement... maybe that was his N0 breadcrumb?

---> I suppose my summary of what I find in Link's ISO about possible crumbs summarizes as:

* Maaayyybe a green peek on Cal
* Maybe a red peek on MW (but I think Link would probably have pushed MW harder D1 given MW was a legit wagon and Link was on EOD1)
* Maayybe a green peek on www3
* Could have had a red peek on DC (but I think Link likely pushes harder for DC lynch D1 given DC was a legit wagon... but Link does revisit a scum-read on DC right before Link is NK'd)
* Could have had a red peek on iancu (he also tried to CFD onto ian - and revisits a continued scum-read on ian right before he is NK'd)
* Maaaaayyyyyyybe a red peek on TorB
* Could have red-peekd moe (as Link suddenly on N1 scumreads moe and doubles-down on that read "not liking" a moe vote post with about an hour before Link is NK'd)

Of this, I see a few green-peeks Link might have crumbed but he has more posts that I could see as being hints about his N0 being a RED peek instead. If I rank them, then it looks something like:

Maybe red on:
ian > DC > moe >> TorB > MW
>> And maybe green on:
ww3 > Cal

Folks we really need to comb Link's posts a little bit at least to try to find his peek's breadcrumb... he openly stated everyone should ABC (always be crumbing) so for sure he followed his own advice, right?

LINK - in your graveyard chat roll over 10 times (privately of course) if it was red on one of the wagons you could have pushed at EOD (MW / DC).
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300311#msg1300311
« Reply #748 on: July 13, 2020, 05:38:51 am »
I'm going to bed, starting to think a lot of that Link ISO conclusion needs plenty of re-work given how Theresa role really works and not how I thought it worked. The ISO and posts that I think could be crumbs are legit and accurate but conclusions drawn I need to revisit after I sleep on the revelation... Adieu.

Alright yeah, re-reading the Theresa role again just now... and my post again... I'm not so convinced that finding Link's breadcrumb is as paramount as I thought when I set about that task. >:( >:( >:(  And with that goodnight for a bit.
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300312#msg1300312
« Reply #749 on: July 13, 2020, 06:02:15 am »
Rob, link wouldve outed had he found a scum. You’re Too focussed on him
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300313#msg1300313
« Reply #750 on: July 13, 2020, 06:21:53 am »
You know rob, you arent the only one in that "misunderstood Theresa" boat. Sigh x100

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300314#msg1300314
« Reply #751 on: July 13, 2020, 06:26:03 am »
And that after all the trouble I went through to explain it, too :(

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300315#msg1300315
« Reply #752 on: July 13, 2020, 06:29:03 am »
Torb I have the reading comprehension of a third grader. You cannot penetrate my mind with facts or reality.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300316#msg1300316
« Reply #753 on: July 13, 2020, 08:58:31 am »
Linkcat you hypocrite didn't crumb. i suppose the next best thing is someone he defended for no real reason (Cal?), as he would wait for a conflicting role claim and eversoslightly prefer them staying alive since he got some information on them. Also in case he targeted mw he didnt get a turnout that would conflict with a role that was agreed upon to sit idly, as he didnt scumread him.
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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300317#msg1300317
« Reply #754 on: July 13, 2020, 09:10:40 am »
It'll take like 8 hours before I come up with a readslist, but I do not like the lack of lynch votes right now. Here, I'll take point with a vote that is likely to change if I can find something scummy somewhere.

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Re: Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67869.msg1300318#msg1300318
« Reply #755 on: July 13, 2020, 09:54:40 am »
yh I've read every post of link twice now and find zero reference to what I can find in the honkai wiki about theresa, the claims are all not serious aside from "ccing" moe, but none of dc,oa,moe has shared a role that link could confirm, so this was talking about durandal
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