Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[worldwideweb3]

Coffee/dawn - Whos you’re vote on rn

[rob77dp]

ebwop: Unlike you stated there actually seems to be a link between postcount and alignement for coffee, which is opposite to what you said.

And as stated before coffee has a meta of 0 content, which is easy to continue as scum, yet he chose not to.

I would disagree - I don't think there is any postcount tell for coffee which means I was down the wrong path at first, but NOT opposite of what I said. That's how I see it anyway. I'd point out that if you have non-postcount reasons for a read or lean on someone you should include that instead of defaulting to a short/small postcount-only read. Again that's how I see it anyway.

[Coffeeditto]

Coffee/dawn - Whos you’re vote on rn

making read post right now one minute

[rob77dp]

Also coffee's take of DC's retort to Link's 'reply' to DC's questioning of Link's vote is somewhat on-track with my own. That is, weird way that DC responded to Link. Coffee I think finds the interaction weird (both sides?) though whereas I think that's just Link being Link but DC response is awkward on its own.

[Coffeeditto]

dawn to dusk (1) - killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (3) - worldwideweb3, Calindu, Linkcat
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (5) - PlayerOa, DoubleCapitals, moehrpi, rob77dp, Naii_the_Baf
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, TheonlyrealBeef, Submachine

I actually have no idea where to place my vote, but for this game at least, voting is a must.

Worst vote so far. Don't push someone further into the lead unless you're scumreading them.

I agree with this sentiment, and will add that you could also do it if you'd like more information on them. That being said, I scumread ian a bit for just going afk after people stopped pushing him, but I see more of a lack in content from recent DC posts and I would rather him than MasterWalks; I see more potential output from

dumb idea I remembered from Town of Salem
Raiden can protect away cop-type roles from the nightkill if they are forced to claim

congrats ian, you're useful now

Spoiler for Raiden Mei(defensive):

Extremely powerful for scum, but situational for town. Can be used to protect power roles, alternate with medic for best effect.

Just saw this. Did you not read his guide?

somehow it slipped my mind, I stopped reading at 'extremely powerful for scum' and thought 'oh, we don't use this' at first. Fuck me LOL

Forgot to point this out earlier; this feels like a dumbtell. You didn't read someones insight into a role because you saw that it said powerful for scum?


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As of right now, everyone has posted since d1 started, and as such, we can safely assume we have either a maf Durandal or oa is town.
Link is being Link as many others have said already, and I can't formulate a read on him.
TORB is being very useful for town, so i townread him as we should. Might be worth to investigate him just to be sure.
Shock's posts have been less than helpful, and instead provided some pseudo-sciences behind his odd thought process on what would be viable in the game. Not especially helpful.
ian is one of my stronger scumreads after that line i quoted in my prior post; it seems a little too careless for a maf, but he knew the bandwagon wasn't going to turn on him, so it might have been smart to act nonplussed by it.
I don't see www3 as maf here yet. defense is not inherently scummy, he could be an important PR.
MW is a not so helpful town right now to me.
andre makes good posts when he does post, so neutral for me.
dawn claimed he was hit once by the 2hit vig, so he is probably dead, but i townread him outing the vig hit. can't rule out the possibility he was lying about it to not get lynched, though.
kaempfer is all over the place.
Sub is a little less active and pushing than the sub i have seen earlier, maybe keep an eye on him but neutral to me for now.
rob is a different rob but making the same valid points, so I have to townread him for now. he has also given a reason for his activity and ~honor system~
dc needs to give us actual content instead of fillering. scum read here
Calindu isn't going to contribute much to the game I feel, but he isn't being detrimental.
naii's vote was very odd and his content otherwise has been lacking. scummyish
i like moe's reactions a lot to be honest. his interactions with kae put him into a slight town read for me.

out of these 3, I would lynch DC for his scumdumbtells and info other than the filler, but otherwise, I would rather get ian. for now, my vote lies on dc

dawn to dusk (1) - killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (4) - worldwideweb3, Calindu, Linkcat, Coffeeditto
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (5) - PlayerOa, DoubleCapitals, moehrpi, rob77dp, Naii_the_Baf
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, TheonlyrealBeef, Submachine

i can elaborate on any of my reads if anyone would like. I will be around at day end

[kaempfer13]

ebwop: Unlike you stated there actually seems to be a link between postcount and alignement for coffee, which is opposite to what you said.

And as stated before coffee has a meta of 0 content, which is easy to continue as scum, yet he chose not to.

I would disagree - I don't think there is any postcount tell for coffee which means I was down the wrong path at first, but NOT opposite of what I said. That's how I see it anyway. I'd point out that if you have non-postcount reasons for a read or lean on someone you should include that instead of defaulting to a short/small postcount-only read. Again that's how I see it anyway.

I mean there is literally only one game where coffee has over 20 posts (in fact way more, 168) yet scum on average lives longer than town, so there is 0 precedence for scum!coffee being active, unless that got him lynched day1, in which case I wouldnt expect him to repeat that. Perhaps you are right that this topic never should have been a big deal in the first place, in which case I wonder why you put at least moderate emphasis on it, when you werent even sure about it.

[Coffeeditto]

EBWOP

I agree with this sentiment, and will add that you could also do it if you'd like more information on them. That being said, I scumread ian a bit for just going afk after people stopped pushing him, but I see more of a lack in content from recent DC posts and I would rather him than MasterWalks; I see more potential output from MW and www3 in the future.

[rob77dp]

ebwop: Unlike you stated there actually seems to be a link between postcount and alignement for coffee, which is opposite to what you said.

And as stated before coffee has a meta of 0 content, which is easy to continue as scum, yet he chose not to.

I would disagree - I don't think there is any postcount tell for coffee which means I was down the wrong path at first, but NOT opposite of what I said. That's how I see it anyway. I'd point out that if you have non-postcount reasons for a read or lean on someone you should include that instead of defaulting to a short/small postcount-only read. Again that's how I see it anyway.

I mean there is literally only one game where coffee has over 20 posts (in fact way more, 168) yet scum on average lives longer than town, so there is 0 precedence for scum!coffee being active, unless that got him lynched day1, in which case I wouldnt expect him to repeat that. Perhaps you are right that this topic never should have been a big deal in the first place, in which case I wonder why you put at least moderate emphasis on it, when you werent even sure about it.

The emphasis I put on it early was minor and early stages where there was very little to poke around at... now I poke at it only when brought up by others etc. I no longer have any desire to postcount read coffee - and no desire to strictly postcount read anyone else. We should be more careful to differentiate no post vs low post vs low-content vs poor content too.

[worldwideweb3]

Also coffee's take of DC's retort to Link's 'reply' to DC's questioning of Link's vote is somewhat on-track with my own. That is, weird way that DC responded to Link. Coffee I think finds the interaction weird (both sides?) though whereas I think that's just Link being Link but DC response is awkward on its own.

Whys DCs response awkward?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

dawn claimed he was hit once by the 2hit vig, so he is probably dead, but i townread him outing the vig hit. can't rule out the possibility he was lying about it to not get lynched, though.

If this is the case, I would like to see a counter-claim from Cecilia. I figured this was implied, but a counter-claim pretty much either proves dawn or the counter-claimer as scum. dawn can out the identity of Cecilia if the counter-claimer is lying.

[Coffeeditto]

dawn claimed he was hit once by the 2hit vig, so he is probably dead, but i townread him outing the vig hit. can't rule out the possibility he was lying about it to not get lynched, though.

If this is the case, I would like to see a counter-claim from Cecilia. I figured this was implied, but a counter-claim pretty much either proves dawn or the counter-claimer as scum. dawn can out the identity of Cecilia if the counter-claimer is lying.

that's very valid. if the cecilia is town and did hit dawn, they should stay hidden. however, there's the possibility that there is no cecilia in the game at all, which would be a hugely ballsy claim from dawn, but if cecilia isn't in game or is maf, it pays off for him. i wouldn't think too much of it right now without a cc.

I mean there is literally only one game where coffee has over 20 posts (in fact way more, 168)

you forgot about this one with 22 where I was mafia
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/

[Coffeeditto]

Also coffee's take of DC's retort to Link's 'reply' to DC's questioning of Link's vote is somewhat on-track with my own. That is, weird way that DC responded to Link. Coffee I think finds the interaction weird (both sides?) though whereas I think that's just Link being Link but DC response is awkward on its own.

Whys DCs response awkward?

it's a defensive reaction that he tried to downplay with a meme. that's scummy fmpov