Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[PlayerOa]

Bronya should really REALLY know what he’s doing if he’s hammering with invisivotes. I’m not gonna lie, I’m kinda afraid of the havoc it can wreck, especially when we won’t know who’s placing the hammer.

[andretimpa]

Bronya should really REALLY know what he’s doing if he’s hammering with invisivotes. I’m not gonna lie, I’m kinda afraid of the havoc it can wreck, especially when we won’t know who’s placing the hammer.

We would have some idea if most people are still voting (as we can more easily track Bronya charging in the previous days). Personally I just don't think it's worth it sacrificing your voting power in the previous days for the payoff you get.

[Submachine]

Bronya should really REALLY know what he’s doing if he’s hammering with invisivotes. I’m not gonna lie, I’m kinda afraid of the havoc it can wreck, especially when we won’t know who’s placing the hammer.

If we need to emphasise it that much, that just shows we should not let it go out of hand. And by that, I mean I will hard vote on anyone who's not voting for more than 1 day, and I will keep a continuous tally of who haven't voted. Any more than two voting power is dangerous, even in town's hand.

@Sky: Does it count as voting if the vote is removed by the end of day?

I wanted to flesh out a N0 lynch that we don't even manage to properly execute at EOD. So that Sin Mal can get a successsful use out of their ability. Hard to execute / get everyone behind and rob also took a lot of flak for his big play N0.

I don't want Bronya to hide, just collect voting power. Hiding only works once she hasn't voted at least once and there is a wagon at EOD, which won't happen D1

Cop should absolutely use their ability N0. Even Healer should do so to collect info for themselves and others as well.

If you really wish to put this plan in motion, I suggest gathering D1 lynch statistics from previous mafias, which will show you than you cannot go wrong with Linkcat.

[Submachine]

EBWOP:

I wanted to flesh out a N0 lynch that we don't even manage to properly execute at EOD. So that Sin Mal can get a successsful use out of their ability. Hard to execute / get everyone behind and rob also took a lot of flak for his big play N0.

If you really wish to put this plan in motion, I suggest gathering D1 lynch statistics from previous mafias, which will show you that you cannot go wrong with Linkcat.

[worldwideweb3]

A reminder to Cop that you don’t have to use ability tonight as there is no nk

I really, really hope you meant medic. Of course cop should use.

OOPS yes I meant medic my bad :cwy:

[Linkcat]

EBWOP:

I wanted to flesh out a N0 lynch that we don't even manage to properly execute at EOD. So that Sin Mal can get a successsful use out of their ability. Hard to execute / get everyone behind and rob also took a lot of flak for his big play N0.

If you really wish to put this plan in motion, I suggest gathering D1 lynch statistics from previous mafias, which will show you that you cannot go wrong with Linkcat.

Hey, I've only been lynched twice on Day 1, once as each alignment. Day 2 on the other hand, twice as mafia and once as town. So you should wait to lynch me on Day 2. Cause that worked out so well the last game.

For anyone curious, the Day 1 town lynch was due to me trolling, two of the mafia lynches were cop checks, and the Day 2 one was a gambit that worked but actually failed because of voting power roles.

[skyironsword]

@Sky: Does it count as voting if the vote is removed by the end of day?

Bronya Zaychik Charge Beam (Passive) Not voting increases your Voting Power by 1 the next time you do vote. This effect stacks. (This is checked at the end of the day. In other words, voting and then removing your vote later will simply count as not voting.)

[Linkcat]

Turns out I've been NK'd the first Night 2 times and the second Night 3 times, a mirror of the first two days. I wonder if the balance will be upset this game.

I would rather just force everyone to vote and not have to worry about Bronya.

[Coffeeditto]

Coffee trying to escape that N1 Oty

I would have n0'd Ge0 last game if this coffee had shown up there.    are you feeling motivated as a different alignment coffee? 

This is a distinctively different Coffeeditto than the one I remember from the last couple of mafias, though, where he kept rolling town... Although I guess that's probably just a result of more free time.

did he graduate

I'd like to take a game more seriously and this happens to be that game And no, I'm out of uni for the summer and back next fall so I do have more free time while I look for a job.

This is a distinctively different Coffeeditto than the one I remember from the last couple of mafias, though, where he kept rolling town... Although I guess that's probably just a result of more free time.

there is a prior mafia game #[redacted for raisins] here where coffee was not town and was a bit active like this. However I have I think too little of experience sample playing with coffee to try to activity or meta read him this early (if at all). Great news coffee I don't think I shoot you n0 this game.... If I am vig (and if you're town), that is. \thumbsup

thanks, rob!

Wow quiet you die, and if you talk you get sussed cause it’s not “normal” poor coffee

If you are coffee you die

yes

[Coffeeditto]

A reminder to Cop that you don’t have to use ability tonight as there is no nk

I really, really hope you meant medic. Of course cop should use.

OOPS yes I meant medic my bad :cwy:

I would be willing to further argue that if we're going the strat in which Durandal always outs with a guilty, then doc shouldn't use ability this evening. They should save it for tomorrow so Durandal can get at least report out (if it's a guilty) and out another before they die. It's risky, but I would rather have a 1/15 chance to lose Durandal tonight than a 1/1 chance to lose them tomorrow if they out (seeing as how if doc hits Durandal tonight, they can't protect them again tomorrow)(there's a 1/15 chance to hit Durandal but the odds are low both ways regardless)(I would love feedback)

I'm not seeing any benefit to a town role that increases voting power if they cannot also have special insight to alignments. Allowing a player to gain voting power risks them being scum that could wear havoc in a Mylo\LYLO scenario... And town loses if they ever are outnumbered. Actually, what IS the benefit of town abstaining from voting just to boost their voting power?

There's one benefit that has the same effect as a detriment: in the event that there's a maf Durandal that hides, and the game gets into a situation where it's n maf vs n+1 town (like 3 town vs 2 maf alive) a maf Durandal can force someone not to vote and cause the vote to be forced into a NL. To circumvent this, i propose that Bronya saves one vote such that their voting power is 2 and leaves it at that. Obviously this could have drawbacks if Bronya flips maf, but so can't every plan we have.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Bronya's voting power resets after voting, note how it says "the next time you vote", not for the rest of the game. So just keep lynchvoting and save everyone worries and headaches.

Doc is an ER ability that does not allow consecutive uses on the same target, so as long as Durandal is not targeted, its use makes no difference.

[Coffeeditto]

Bronya's voting power resets after voting, note how it says "the next time you vote", not for the rest of the game. So just keep lynchvoting and save everyone worries and headaches.

I missed that. Always voting as town Bronya is best, then.

Doc is an ER ability that does not allow consecutive uses on the same target, so as long as Durandal is not targeted, its use makes no difference.

I've just remembered that there's not a nk n0 anyway, so this makes doccing tonight obsolete anyway unless mafia has killing roles. I've pointed out that the risk of hitting Durandal n0 and not being able to save them should they come forward with a scum report is dangerous; however, I'm unsure it outweighs the possiblity for saving someone.