Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[rob77dp]

This is a distinctively different Coffeeditto than the one I remember from the last couple of mafias, though, where he kept rolling town... Although I guess that's probably just a result of more free time.

there is a prior mafia game #[redacted for raisins] here where coffee was not town and was a bit active like this. However I have I think too little of experience sample playing with coffee to try to activity or meta read him this early (if at all). Great news coffee I don't think I shoot you n0 this game.... If I am vig (and if you're town), that is. \thumbsup

[worldwideweb3]

Wow quiet you die, and if you talk you get sussed cause it’s not “normal” poor coffee

[andretimpa]

Wow quiet you die, and if you talk you get sussed cause it’s not “normal” poor coffee

If you are coffee you die

[rob77dp]

Wow quiet you die, and if you talk you get sussed cause it’s not “normal” poor coffee

interesting soft defense from coffee teammate www3.  . I guess you're not exactly wrong about it though except I'm actually trying to compare it to past experience albeit very loosely (admitted as much already). Shade me harder www3 or something eh?

[worldwideweb3]

I was saying that because every mafia people ask normal inactives to speak up and they won’t judge them on that, and when someone speaks up we put them as sus  :'(

[MasterWalks]

Spoiler for Hidden:

Kiana Kaslana = Stronger, more scummy Warden. Use the same way.

Raiden Mei = Bad deal if mafia has it. Very strong and should be used very very lightly.

Bronya Zaychik = Graboid that charges up while burrowed. Dont unborrow until needed. We should try to hide this role.

Himeko Murata = This is Oty late game and a possible oty early game. You should use your ability when you know it will work

Yae Sakura = Warden that targets 3 people. See Kiana

Theresa Apocalypse =  Basically Golden Nymph.

Fu Hua = Basically Guardian Angel

Kallen Kaslana = This is a power role. This is actually more powerful in the hands of town but also scummy if you get the wrong players. I have a feeling who ever got this role is going to be a headache late game.

Rita Rossweisse = Lmao this is a fantastic role. Whoever has this is probably paranoid AF to use it. Go wild. May RNG be with you.

Liliya Olenyeva =  so pretty much, just hardclaim GN then use your ability. GG ez

Rozaliya Olenyeva = Oty

Seele Vollerei =  Fate egg with extra steps.

Durandal = Another GN ability

Cecilia Schariac = Toadfish with more power. If you get targeted, do not reveal name.

Shigure Kira = fly on the wall but really its on yourself

Frederica Tesla = Dragonfly but way better

Lieserl Einstein = Literally just dragonfly

Emma Planck = Scion but OP

Cocolia = Reveal your findings on N2 i say

Sin Mal = Vulture but better.

This is for me to reflect on. I know torb already did something like this but here is my take. This also helps me to remember the roles better.

[rob77dp]

I was saying that because every mafia people ask normal inactives to speak up and they won’t judge them on that, and when someone speaks up we put them as sus  :'(

I mean right now there isn't much I know so I'm sus on everyone at this point. Is this a problem though? I suspect inactive people to try to activate them so I can read an active player on which I start out suspicious of active players because I don't know whose side they're on. 

[DoubleCapitals]

Spoiler for Hidden:

Kiana Kaslana = Stronger, more scummy Warden. Use the same way.

Raiden Mei = Bad deal if mafia has it. Very strong and should be used very very lightly.

Bronya Zaychik = Graboid that charges up while burrowed. Dont unborrow until needed. We should try to hide this role.
Big difference is that this 'Graboid' is targetable

Himeko Murata = This is Oty late game and a possible oty early game. You should use your ability when you know it will work

Yae Sakura = Warden that targets 3 people. See Kiana

Theresa Apocalypse =  Basically Golden Nymph.

Fu Hua = Basically Guardian Angel

Kallen Kaslana = This is a power role. This is actually more powerful in the hands of town but also scummy if you get the wrong players. I have a feeling who ever got this role is going to be a headache late game.
With enough luck I bet shock got this
Rita Rossweisse = Lmao this is a fantastic role. Whoever has this is probably paranoid AF to use it. Go wild. May RNG be with you.
Contradictory but I agree with general sentiment
Liliya Olenyeva =  so pretty much, just hardclaim GN then use your ability. GG ez
LOL, why don't 'cha lead by example?
Rozaliya Olenyeva = Oty

Seele Vollerei =  Fate egg with extra steps.

Durandal = Another GN ability

Cecilia Schariac = Toadfish with more power. If you get targeted, do not reveal name.

Shigure Kira = fly on the wall but really its on yourself

Frederica Tesla = Dragonfly but way better

Lieserl Einstein = Literally just dragonfly

Emma Planck = Scion but OP

Cocolia = Reveal your findings on N2 i say
Why N2 and not now then?
Sin Mal = Vulture but better.
Not exactly, you need to predict the lynch, not the NK

This is for me to reflect on. I know torb already did something like this but here is my take. This also helps me to remember the roles better.

[Submachine]

I am not a fan of hiding the Graboid in this game, because the increasing voting power is less useful in town's hand as dangerous it is in mafia's (or a bad town's) hands.

[rob77dp]

I'm not seeing any benefit to a town role that increases voting power if they cannot also have special insight to alignments. Allowing a player to gain voting power risks them being scum that could wear havoc in a Mylo\LYLO scenario... And town loses if they ever are outnumbered. Actually, what IS the benefit of town abstaining from voting just to boost their voting power?

[Submachine]

Actually, what IS the benefit of town abstaining from voting just to boost their voting power?

In this game specifically? Nothing. It is actually harmful now, unlike in the previous mafia.

[rob77dp]

MW- I think you were advocating hiding the voting-power-grows role? Howcome, what are we overlooking as the benefit?