Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[moehrpi]

In, will be less busy starting at the end of this week.

[skyironsword]

Signups have ended. Roles are currently being distributed.

Night 0 will begin shortly. Please wait warmly.

[skyironsword]

Night 0

There are 3 Herrschers and 15 Valkyries. Please note that roles cannot be repeated.

Spoiler for Living Players:

• Linkcat
• TheonlyrealBeef
• shockcannon
• PlayerOa
• iancudorinmarian
• worldwideweb3
• MasterWalks
• andretimpa
• dawn to dusk
• kaempfer13
• Submachine
• killsdazombies
• Coffeeditto
• rob77dp
• DoubleCapitals
• Calindu
• Naii_the_Baf
• moehrpi

Night 0 has ended.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

It's time to start highlighting some important roles and group the other roles by category as well as suggest their intended usage. Deviating from this intended usage will likely be perceived as scummy, so speak up if you disagree instead of simply ignoring my advice.

Cop: Durandal
Medic: Fu Hua

Cop targets are publicly notified the day after and they cannot be lynchvoted that day. My suggestion is to hard-claim when finding a mafia, say nothing when finding town. Town targeted by cop is more likely to be nightkilled due to notification.
Emma Planck should target Cop N0, Medic N2 (if still alive). Fake cop claims should be denied by Emma Planck, not the actual cop.
If you have been targeted by Cecilia Shariac, make sure to publicly reveal this, but keep the identity of the person with this role a secret until someone town dies from that role. Verify or deny claims made for that role if someone claims.
All false claims should lead to getting lynched, this way, Theresa Apocalypse can identify mafia that make true role claims if their Honkai Core's ability type differs from their original role ability. Roles are also unique, so if someone claims to be your role, they are lying.

Now for the rest of the roles, note that offensive roles should not be used lightly, especially N0.

Spoiler for Kiana Kaslana(offensive):

Not sure how using this ability is not scummy.

Spoiler for Raiden Mei(defensive):

Extremely powerful for scum, but situational for town. Can be used to protect power roles, alternate with medic for best effect.

Spoiler for Bronya Zaychik(passive):

Useful for scum to tip the voting scales in their favor. People should lynch vote every day, even with this role.

Spoiler for Himeko Murata(offensive):

Coordinate with info roles to kill people.

Spoiler for Yae Sakura(defensive):

Seems like an overpowered scum ability to protect their entire team from cop. Please do not use this ability.

Spoiler for Theresa Apocalypse(informative):

Allows you to verify if the player's role claim matches their ability type. If not, claim and lynch.

Spoiler for Kallen Kaslana(offensive):

Allows scum to take a town down with them, not sure what the most useful usage for town is. Best to just leave the ability be or try to drag down someone scummy with a likely NK target.

Spoiler for Rita Rossweisse(defensive):

With how many offensive abilities there are, this practically feels like suicide to use at random. Using this on other defensive roles or cop (why???) should be perceived as scummy.

Spoiler for Lilya Olenyeva(defensive):

If everyone suddenly wants you dead on a night, this will eliminate them all. Veruy useful if you will be the next nightkill target.

Spoiler for Rozaliya Olenyeva(offensive):

Kills, plain and simple.

Spoiler for Seele Vollerei(passive):

Please do not claim to be the role you received, unless explicitly mentioning this role as well. See received role for suggested usage of that role.

Spoiler for Cecilia Shariac(offensive):

Feel free to target neutral/inactive players once each, since this does not kill them. Targeting mafia as town will make you a very likely NK target, however.

Spoiler for Shigure Kira(informative):

Can likely be used freely. Please do not target power roles to prevent outing them to mafia.

Spoiler for Frederica Tesla(informative):

Can be used freely. Most useful when used on individual players to spy them using 2 abilities during one night (=mafia).

Spoiler for Lieserl Einstein(informative):

Can be used freely.

Spoiler for Emma Planck(informative):

Should be used whenever possible. Identify living power roles to help protect them. Durandal N0, Fu Hua N2.

Spoiler for Cocolia(passive):

No usage.

Spoiler for Sin Mal(???):

If you can predict whom gets lynched this ability is extremely useful, but after obtaining new abilities soem informative roles may perceive you as scum. Avoid using two abilities in one night.

There is a lot to add (or modify) to my list of brief suggestions, so I would love to see some discussion on role usage. I wrote this before roles were revealed, so you won't find any soft-claims in this post.

[rob77dp]

I may eventually read all of that Torb... At some point. For now though...

YOU DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO.    I have a TV that does this for me. 

And now some of my own mechanical blather-- the game would go to day 7 if only lynches (mislynches at that) and standard nightkills occurred. Great news that we stayed at 18 players to get the max 15:3 ratio too.

[skyironsword]

Clarification on Shigure Kira's ability, Idyllic Dreams: Kira's targets will not learn the roles of your other targets. I apologize if the wording was unclear.

For example: Shigure Kira targets player A, player B and player C. Player A and player B target Kira, but Player C does not. Shigure Kira will learn Player A's role, and Player A will learn Kira's role. Kira will learn Player B's role, and Player B will learn Kira's role. No one learns Player C's role. Players A and B do not learn each other's role.

The rulings section has been updated.

[worldwideweb3]

@mafia PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT NK ME EARLY. LONGER YOU LET ME LIVE, TOWN WILL BE SUS AND WILL KILL ME ANYWAYS TY.

[Submachine]

Entering chill mode.~

Got my role. Those who need protection should speak up about it, www.

EBWOP: Wow, I wanted to post this before www spoke. Nailed it.

[rob77dp]

Also I stand by my standing preference and belief that shooting into a low-activity low-content difficult-to-effectively-POE crowd is a net-expected-benefit for town. I can't think of a scenario this game where I'd advise it night 0 (ref n0 Fate Egg rolling n0-only Otyugh last game) but I still support firing in the above described way at some point if a better target isn't clear to the shooter. Which you seem to be against hardline, TorB?

NB: I'm away pessimistic of certain players shooting offensively at any point at any target. 

[TheonlyrealBeef]

This makes my point on that role moot. I interpreted it as all three knowing eachothers roles as long as one targeted Shigure Kira. Thank you for the clarification.

This means my advice is now to use it as much as you want, prioritize those likely to target you to get some effect out of it.

YOU DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO.    I have a TV that does this for me. 

I'm trying to make suggestions and categorize actions as scummy, towny or neutral. I want to make sure everyone at the very least realizes how their actions can help or hurt town and how to identify the people trying to hurt town. We can assume those to be the best lynch targets, yes? I know, your comment is only half serious, half implying you intend to vigi N0 again if you can (they're the same half, but whatever).

[worldwideweb3]

It's time to start highlighting some important roles and group the other roles by category as well as suggest their intended usage. Deviating from this intended usage will likely be perceived as scummy, so speak up if you disagree instead of simply ignoring my advice.

Cop: Durandal
Medic: Fu Hua

Cop targets are publicly notified the day after and they cannot be lynchvoted that day. My suggestion is to hard-claim when finding a mafia, say nothing when finding town. Town targeted by cop is more likely to be nightkilled due to notification.
Emma Planck should target Cop N0, Medic N2 (if still alive). Fake cop claims should be denied by Emma Planck, not the actual cop.
If you have been targeted by Cecilia Shariac, make sure to publicly reveal this, but keep the identity of the person with this role a secret until someone town dies from that role. Verify or deny claims made for that role if someone claims.
All false claims should lead to getting lynched, this way, Theresa Apocalypse can identify mafia that make true role claims if their Honkai Core's ability type differs from their original role ability. Roles are also unique, so if someone claims to be your role, they are lying.

Now for the rest of the roles, note that offensive roles should not be used lightly, especially N0.

Spoiler for Kiana Kaslana(offensive):

Not sure how using this ability is not scummy.

Spoiler for Raiden Mei(defensive):

Extremely powerful for scum, but situational for town. Can be used to protect power roles, alternate with medic for best effect.

Spoiler for Bronya Zaychik(passive):

Useful for scum to tip the voting scales in their favor. People should lynch vote every day, even with this role.

Spoiler for Himeko Murata(offensive):

Coordinate with info roles to kill people.

Spoiler for Yae Sakura(defensive):

Seems like an overpowered scum ability to protect their entire team from cop. Please do not use this ability.

Spoiler for Theresa Apocalypse(informative):

Allows you to verify if the player's role claim matches their ability type. If not, claim and lynch.

Spoiler for Kallen Kaslana(offensive):

Allows scum to take a town down with them, not sure what the most useful usage for town is. Best to just leave the ability be or try to drag down someone scummy with a likely NK target.

Spoiler for Rita Rossweisse(defensive):

With how many offensive abilities there are, this practically feels like suicide to use at random. Using this on other defensive roles or cop (why???) should be perceived as scummy.

Spoiler for Lilya Olenyeva(defensive):

If everyone suddenly wants you dead on a night, this will eliminate them all. Veruy useful if you will be the next nightkill target.

Spoiler for Rozaliya Olenyeva(offensive):

Kills, plain and simple.

Spoiler for Seele Vollerei(passive):

Please do not claim to be the role you received, unless explicitly mentioning this role as well. See received role for suggested usage of that role.

Spoiler for Cecilia Shariac(offensive):

Feel free to target neutral/inactive players once each, since this does not kill them. Targeting mafia as town will make you a very likely NK target, however.

Spoiler for Shigure Kira(informative):

Can likely be used freely. Please do not target power roles to prevent outing them to mafia.

Spoiler for Frederica Tesla(informative):

Can be used freely. Most useful when used on individual players to spy them using 2 abilities during one night (=mafia).

Spoiler for Lieserl Einstein(informative):

Can be used freely.

Spoiler for Emma Planck(informative):

Should be used whenever possible. Identify living power roles to help protect them. Durandal N0, Fu Hua N2.

Spoiler for Cocolia(passive):

No usage.

Spoiler for Sin Mal(???):

If you can predict whom gets lynched this ability is extremely useful, but after obtaining new abilities soem informative roles may perceive you as scum. Avoid using two abilities in one night.

There is a lot to add (or modify) to my list of brief suggestions, so I would love to see some discussion on role usage. I wrote this before roles were revealed, so you won't find any soft-claims in this post.

I would not hard claim straight away if i was a cop and found mafia. Unless its in latter stages of mafia.

[moehrpi]

Haven't even read TorB's guide yet but would like to say that we could already agree on a lynch this night to give Sin Mal a boost.