Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[worldwideweb3]

What www3 said. With added-- but would a scum!Coffee out this way? Even after a once over on coffee claim past I'm conflicted if the shots are true scummy or town as I struggle to grasp EITHER alignment doing it this way??

But this was the only way for a scum cecila to survive. Once outed by cecilas next target or by emma plank, its death for sure.

[Coffeeditto]

From my point of view the optimal play for mafia Cecilia would have been to kill off the town with the lowest credibility, then force a power role to claim D3, while for town its better to sacrifice yourself than waste a fellow town power role just to live for one more day.

Town lean thus far is another reason why I am giving Coffee the benefit of doubt for now and not lynch voting. No one is in danger of getting killed by Cecilia role upcoming night.

I can either not target somebody tomorrow evening, or target someone to confirm my identity which wouldn’t make sense to me. I agree that I should have been willing to self sac for a power role, but as I said, he would have softed had he been an important role. He was not contributing positively to the town.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

For the record, I was talking about the lynch for today, sorry that was not clear. I meant that instead of claiming now, you would frame some poor town sod for it and let the Cecilia witch hunt continue.

[Coffeeditto]

What www3 said. With added-- but would a scum!Coffee out this way? Even after a once over on coffee claim past I'm conflicted if the shots are true scummy or town as I struggle to grasp EITHER alignment doing it this way??

But this was the only way for a scum cecila to survive. Once outed by cecilas next target or by emma plank, its death for sure.

It’s also the only way for me to survive as town, because I was already put into a catch 22 for doing this night-zero/one vig hit. I assumed because people were okay with rob doing it last game as otyugh that I would be received not as negatively. I would rather claim now and have us know I am ceciliya, seeing as how maf could hide if emma was killed tonight. I also don’t want to force emma to out this early.

[worldwideweb3]

Coffee, you need to vote too btw.

[Coffeeditto]

Coffee, you need to vote too btw.

You right. loving the consistency w3

This is OMGUS and both of your points are weak; a reaction test is just as valid as any other scum read, and most people have already established that my playstyle for nearly every other game was to coast regardless of alignment. I'm also talking way more than last game because I'm not dead yet.

What the hell ya want me to do, pick a better meme?

or contribute

iancudorinmarian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa, killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (1) - rob77dp, Coffeeditto
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
killsdazombies (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (2) - Calindu, DoubleCapitals

[moehrpi]

okay here we go guys

I hardclaim Cecilia, and intentionally killed dawn last night. I wasn't driven, it wasn't a mistaken pm, I killed dawn on purpose.'

Here's how it happened:

I am not sure any more who implied dawn is going to die soon anyway. Can we agree as town not to use Cecilia as a killing tool? I see the benefit of having the option to vig people at later stages but this early it is beyond scummy.

Again, I don't want Cecilia to go about killing heaps of people. Do we have a consensus here? I'm going as far as wanting Emma to call Cecilia out D3 if dawn gets killed N1/N2.

I don't see how especially the second post did not make you second guess your plan. t.t

Here are the posts by moe that indicate a lack of supporting my follow through with the kill. There wasn't much backing nor reasoning behind not killing him from what I read.

I agree with the 'little backing' that is why I brought it up repeatedly. I was a bit annoyed especially at the start of day. Kae's post made me change my perspective a bit but in the end I stand somewhat disappointed.

Dawn did not claim any important role, as he should have (ex. "I am a power role") after being hit by me the first time. When he didn't claim something investigative or a doctor (what I might consider important roles), the roles he could have had that were beneficial to the town were limited. Other than the investigative roles and Hua, the only other roles that could positively impact us as town would be Raiden, Seele (by copying another role (but he would already have copied Cecilia)), and Liliya. I was willing to take the risk if he was Liliya, as it would have shown me dying as Ceciliya when the kill would or should have been Dawn. It made more sense to me to stop him from possibly getting away with a free pass from lynching for having a Cecilia hit on him.

I don't see the burden of proof on his end. He was a random player who did pick up his activity. If you go about vigging people as town you better have a good reason. This is a massive point.

He also didn't contribute during his time alive very heavily. People claim he began to put out more content, but the only posts with substance were his light reads and filler otherwise. That reads to me as scummy. With him staying alive for the extra day/night phase, it could have resulted in him roleblocking Hua, getting a Typhoon Cutter off onto an investigative role or taking me down with him if he were a maf Kallen and we decided to have me vig hit him tomorrow.

'Him staying alive could block a role' versus Cecilia doing her thing outright kills people. How do you think this is supposed to look from the outside? This is a serious question that hopefully gets you reevaluating your judgement. I, for one, am disappointed in the use of your role in general and killing dawn in particular.

I'd like to say I learned from the best (Rob).

I am not sure how seriously I should take this. If I did I'd respond along the lines of: He himself pointed out the vast differences.
Otherwise, you're just adding insult to injury. You don't even seem to show some doubt nor hindsight.


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As far as my scumreads go, ian's repeated odd lines with the "I will be more useful later" and his last line I quoted about him never reading the lists reads more and more scummy to me as the game goes on. This has led me to FOS him almost equally as hard as DC.

Coffee - I can't seem to shake off that bias that he's talking way more than he did last game, but regardless I feel like he latched on me yesterday with rather weak arguments.

This is OMGUS and both of your points are weak; a reaction test is just as valid as any other scum read, and most people have already established that my playstyle for nearly every other game was to coast regardless of alignment. I'm also talking way more than last game because I'm not dead yet.

Town lean thus far is another reason why I am giving Coffee the benefit of doubt for now

My sentiments also.

What www3 said. With added-- but would a scum!Coffee out this way? Even after a once over on coffee claim past I'm conflicted if the shots are true scummy or town as I struggle to grasp EITHER alignment doing it this way??

I want to believe I saw it coming but the outcry came too late. Town could and should have swayed Coffee more. Coffee's judgement is beyond me.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

iancudorinmarian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa, killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals (2) - rob77dp, Coffeeditto
rob77dp (1) - MasterWalks
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
killsdazombies (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (3) - Calindu, DoubleCapitals, moehrpi
Submachine(1) kaempfer13

I think this is the correct vote count.

[PlayerOa]

The timing of Coffee's reveal... I wouldn't have managed to hit a more suspicious time even if I tried.

[moehrpi]

The timing of Coffee's reveal... I wouldn't have managed to hit a more suspicious time even if I tried.

So you town read him for it?

[PlayerOa]

The opposite.

[Coffeeditto]

The timing of Coffee's reveal... I wouldn't have managed to hit a more suspicious time even if I tried.

I’m only saying this to be an asshole:
It could have been more suspicious if I waited until tomorrow night, yes?