Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[rob77dp]

FYI I give zero cred for all you trying to derp clear on thinking there is a night 0 NK

Hint: rules say there is no n0 nk.

[Submachine]

FYI I give zero cred for all you trying to derp clear on thinking there is a night 0 NK

Hint: rules say there is no n0 nk.

Fair, I would have only skimmed the rules and would have overlooked that part with both alignments.

But only talk for yourself. Www gets my derp clear on that one.

[worldwideweb3]

Without telling what my role is, I plan to conform to TorB's guide tonight until later notice. It saved me a lot of time, so thanks.~

And I, too, would like to ask mafia to let me live tonight.

mafia cant nk today

[worldwideweb3]

/rob ninjjaed me

also i wasnt talking about n0, who said that smh. i mean all the subsequent nights

[kaempfer13]

Raiden mei can make durandal semiimmortal while both live and raiden knows who durandal is (provided noone randomly kills the other person, raiden lives and of course this is only good if both  exist and are town)

[Submachine]

also i wasnt talking about n0, who said that smh. i mean all the subsequent nights

Timing, Watson. If people spoke up not wanting to get nightkilled on Day 1, it would be out of place. Just like your plea, especially if you knew you had time to make your plea for six more days.

[Submachine]

Also, you totally didn't know there were no nightkills on Night 0. You can stop the bluff.

[kaempfer13]

Raiden mei can make durandal semiimmortal while both live and raiden knows who durandal is (provided noone randomly kills the other person, raiden lives and of course this is only good if both  exist and are town)

This plan falls apart fairly quickly even if all assumptions apply, when scum has chain lightning, so I wouldnt start with this plan earlier than necessary

[andretimpa]

Haven't even read TorB's guide yet but would like to say that we could already agree on a lynch this night to give Sin Mal a boost.

Unless we somehow manage to catch someone acting scummy in N0 I think this is not a good idea.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

For Sin Mal, you can simply target the three players with the lowest post counts at the end of N0 for N0. Unless some interesting information comes up from N0 abilities, they are the ones most likely to get lynched from my point of view. If they do not, well, too bad.

[kaempfer13]

I probably agree with everything i omit from this quote or havent found information in those parts.

Cop: Durandal
Medic: Fu Hua

Cop targets are publicly notified the day after and they cannot be lynchvoted that day. My suggestion is to hard-claim when finding a mafia, say nothing when finding town. Town targeted by cop is more likely to be nightkilled due to notification.
agreed on not claiming if town,  not sure if the claim should happen immediately after finding scum. Need to mule this over. Obv the scumalready knows they've been found at daystart, so cant catch them offguard by claiming midday. Hoping to find 2 scum is certainly optimistic and durandal has to wait for 2 whole nights before being able to claim another finding,  so consideringthere is a chance raiden mei can keep her alive aswell, I guess its correct to claim after finding scum. Maybe not immediately,
cuz while the scum already knows its happening, town might actually townspew themselves.

Spoiler for Himeko Murata(offensive):

Coordinate with info roles to kill people.

Bookmarking that i need to think about this one.

Spoiler for Yae Sakura(defensive):

Seems like an overpowered scum ability to protect their entire team from cop. Please do not use this ability.

There isnt much that prevents abilities, so if any nonkilling ability fails the hunt for yae sakura is on, as this ability shouldnt be used by town unless i am overlooking sth

Spoiler for Theresa Apocalypse(informative):

Allows you to verify if the player's role claim matches their ability type. If not, claim and lynch.

Yh, def dont fps as town in this game and claim truthfully. This way if theresa finds that ability type doesnt match a scum is found.

Spoiler for Kallen Kaslana(offensive):

Allows scum to take a town down with them, not sure what the most useful usage for town is. Best to just leave the ability be or try to drag down someone scummy with a likely NK target.

This ability probably doesnt involve the lynch. Mathematically its correct  to use that ability every night on 2 other players as town, hoping one of them is scum (same argument as the cycle vig that you still dont believe). This can also mske you conftown under certain circumstances.

Spoiler for Rita Rossweisse(defensive):

With how many offensive abilities there are, this practically feels like suicide to use at random. Using this on other defensive roles or cop (why???) should be perceived as scummy.

Technically using it on cop removes the need for sprculstion on alignement  but def not a good play. Then sgain it does lrt you know who the cop is without publicly revealing it. Prob not worth though.

Spoiler for Lilya Olenyeva(defensive):

If everyone suddenly wants you dead on a night, this will eliminate them all. Veruy useful if you will be the next nightkill target.

Will kill at most 1 scum really  but coulf kill a lot of town used at the wrong time.

Spoiler for Rozaliya Olenyeva(offensive):

Kills, plain and simple.

While you already advocate very conservative use of these types of abilities its actually correct here. Use to shoot conf scum found by durandal and get a free shot.

Spoiler for Seele Vollerei(passive):

Please do not claim to be the role you received, unless explicitly mentioning this role as well. See received role for suggested usage of that role.

Some interesting interactions with potential duplicate roles here, to be adressed later.

Spoiler for Cecilia Shariac(offensive):

Feel free to target neutral/inactive players once each, since this does not kill them. Targeting mafia as town will make you a very likely NK target, however.

Spoiler for Shigure Kira(informative):

Can likely be used freely. Please do not target power roles to prevent outing them to mafia.

Spoiler for Frederica Tesla(informative):

Can be used freely.

the highrolly way to use it would be as you said in the part i accidentally deleted. Well actually the highest roll would be to witness 3 people use 6 abiloties and immediately out the entire scumteam. In praxis its better to start wide, divide and conquer and narrow down over time on the people that seem to use more abilities. Interestingly this will likely  give seele the same ability, allowing you to compare your findings when one claims. A very interesting ability that is its own minigame and probably deserves a whole post dedicated to it.

Spoiler for Emma Planck(informative):

Should be used whenever possible. Identify living power roles to help protect them. Durandal N0, Fu Hua N2.

not sure how you would protect them other than diverting the lynch, when you cant even know their alignement. This ability is mostly used to catch fake claims.

Spoiler for Cocolia(passive):

No usage.

Well, technically timing of revealing what youve known from the start is crucial.

Spoiler for Sin Mal(???):

If you can predict whom gets lynched this ability is extremely useful, but after obtaining new abilities soem informative roles may perceive you as scum. Avoid using two abilities in one night.

well if you are ever successfull you pretty much have to use 2 abilities to not miss out. 3 uses are enough to last half the game pretty much. We could make a policy to stop using the main ability(or the other one) after obtaining one, but it doesnt seem worth, since sin mal is exceptionally difficult to fakeclaim.

[Naii_the_Baf]

I am very confused about roles. Not on functionality or anything, I just can't follow all the names and it makes my head spin. High chance I will post something nonsensical at some point.

Will post some thoughts on TorB's post about role usage later.