Elements Mafia 74 - by skyironsword

[kaempfer13]

What  happens if two raidens target the same person again?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Spoiler for quote:

Well, that didn't go very well. Anyway, since I'm already considered town by most and am a juicy nightkill target, let me sweeten the deal: hard claim Emma Planck.
N0 target: Durandal, I'm keeping the result a secret for now.
N2 target: Raiden Mei, there were TWO results. One of them must be Seele Vollerei.
If you plan to out use Cecilia + Thread of Fate to kill two players, know that the chances of at least one being scum and purposefully interfering are extremely high.

I'm going to get food right now, but this is interesting. Very interesting. Thank you torb. Hopefully someone sends you a health checkup, but we dont even know if the doctor is in.

There are at least two, the Raiden Mei and Seele Vollerei.

I wonder, wouldnt it be worth asking everyone to roleclaim and then use this as the slip?

What about this?

They wouldn't lie about their roles now that they've already been outed. But depending on whom claims when, the others still have options to choose from and lie. I don't think publicly outing cop and 2-3 medics along with myself is the best idea. Especially when you don't know their alignment. Allows mafia to just pick off the ones that are not mafia.

no not now, i meant why not ask for a role claim before reveal :/

That would still out all the power roles to mafia, which I didn't think to be a good idea. I was already being considered for protection anyway, so that does not change much. If anything, I'm more curious why DoubleCapitals did not already claim.

Would mafia give themselves a second Raiden? I didn't liek the thought from mafia perspective but there aren't too many other roles that you want to have. If not there is at least one town Raiden / semi-doc.

I trust ian to be town, so I want him to use his ability.

Target should be preset, so that Raiden Mei interference is either intentional and scum or non-existant. I had a theory on whom Raiden is (town) and whom Seele, but when I checked lynch votes, it didn't make sense for Seele to be the Nightkill sink from their perspective.
Raiden Mei allows mafia to bypass Fu Hua protection and divert Durandal onto a different target. It is incredibly useful as mafia. If this happened to Durandal, now might be a perfect time to claim so we can hang the original targets. Otherwise, it would not have made sense to claim this as Durandal as it would out their identity but not that of the perpetrator. Ignore this topic altogether if this did not happen, I already know whom you are, others need not know.

[moehrpi]

Well, that didn't go very well. Anyway, since I'm already considered town by most and am a juicy nightkill target, let me sweeten the deal: hard claim Emma Planck.
All right...
N0 target: Durandal, I'm keeping the result a secret for now.
He obviously played bad if you know his identity.
N2 target: Raiden Mei, there were TWO results. One of them must be Seele Vollerei.
Can confirm.
If you plan to out use Cecilia + Thread of Fate to kill two players, know that the chances of at least one being scum and purposefully interfering are extremely high.

TorB is vv now.

EBWOP

So what's the consensus about my ability usage tonight? Do I target two people "at random"?

We should  probably hold a nightly lynchvote for coffees target if the result is cal we can ask you  to target cal+someone, else uae it on targets at your own disgression

I find it a bit early to force a consensus and vig Cal. Night only just started, give him some time.

[moehrpi]

Spoiler for quote:

Well, that didn't go very well. Anyway, since I'm already considered town by most and am a juicy nightkill target, let me sweeten the deal: hard claim Emma Planck.
N0 target: Durandal, I'm keeping the result a secret for now.
N2 target: Raiden Mei, there were TWO results. One of them must be Seele Vollerei.
If you plan to out use Cecilia + Thread of Fate to kill two players, know that the chances of at least one being scum and purposefully interfering are extremely high.

I'm going to get food right now, but this is interesting. Very interesting. Thank you torb. Hopefully someone sends you a health checkup, but we dont even know if the doctor is in.

There are at least two, the Raiden Mei and Seele Vollerei.

I wonder, wouldnt it be worth asking everyone to roleclaim and then use this as the slip?

What about this?

They wouldn't lie about their roles now that they've already been outed. But depending on whom claims when, the others still have options to choose from and lie. I don't think publicly outing cop and 2-3 medics along with myself is the best idea. Especially when you don't know their alignment. Allows mafia to just pick off the ones that are not mafia.

no not now, i meant why not ask for a role claim before reveal :/

That would still out all the power roles to mafia, which I didn't think to be a good idea. I was already being considered for protection anyway, so that does not change much. If anything, I'm more curious why DoubleCapitals did not already claim.

Would mafia give themselves a second Raiden? I didn't liek the thought from mafia perspective but there aren't too many other roles that you want to have. If not there is at least one town Raiden / semi-doc.

I trust ian to be town, so I want him to use his ability.

Target should be preset, so that Raiden Mei interference is either intentional and scum or non-existant. I had a theory on whom Raiden is (town) and whom Seele, but when I checked lynch votes, it didn't make sense for Seele to be the Nightkill sink from their perspective.
Raiden Mei allows mafia to bypass Fu Hua protection and divert Durandal onto a different target. It is incredibly useful as mafia. If this happened to Durandal, now might be a perfect time to claim so we can hang the original targets. Otherwise, it would not have made sense to claim this as Durandal as it would out their identity but not that of the perpetrator. Ignore this topic altogether if this did not happen, I already know whom you are, others need not know.

Trusting you on this one. I am Durandal and targeted DC N0.

[kaempfer13]

Alright, I read skys post again.if raidens share a target, that target will get everything, which means that we need to make conventiens when seele and when og raiden should protect a specific person from the nk

[kaempfer13]

Ok raiden protect moe and seele protect torb i guess.

[kaempfer13]

Hm, I think raiden shouldnt have been used at all n0 considering no nk and added confusion

[kaempfer13]

But I  dont think we discussed that at all

[TheonlyrealBeef]

DC is Raiden Mei.

[moehrpi]

That's why it's scummy and I'd like to take the risk and have ian target TorB or myself with a scumread. Our respective protectors are the first thought but it's too easy for mafia to play this against town since, obviously, they know alignments.

Also, for the record, yes, I did play obviously when you stated you know who Durandal is and MW was right about me having a power role, too. :p

[andretimpa]

Hm, I think raiden shouldnt have been used at all n0 considering no nk and added confusion

There are still vigs tho

[moehrpi]

DC is Raiden Mei.

*Seele