Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[worldwideweb3]

... game is pretty much solved already ...

LOL that post

[Submachine]

#SolvedGame is best meme that has come from this game imo

By the way, as unlucky as I was, I planned to roll Town and play similarly to how I played in Mafia 70 (when I was mafia) to mix up my playstyles a bit. I did not check my role, so I did not know I was actually mafia again. And right in the game where I already started playing scummy. When I read my role, I had to switch playstyles super quickly.

After then, my aim was to play exactly like I would if I was town. For this, I barely consulted the others to somewhat keep me in the dark, and I even renamed our pad to Confirmed Civvy Pad. I also don't think I directly lied about anything. And with every choice I made in this game, I had in mind, how would this choice affect endgame? I am very surprised that I could cover my tracks so well, that the scummiest things against me were late votes and a slight feel of unease. I guess theater is my strong suit.

My point stands:

Just to clarify, Link does not think I am Mafia, he just knows you can never be too cautious with me.

He watched the entirety of 60 as a host, and he got familiar with my train of thought. Though you can also never know with Link, and Link seems to believe you can also never know with rob. We are the trinity of indecipherables.

[iancudorinmarian]

Too easy

[Linkcat]

Solved game btw

[DoubleCapitals]

Wish I could say I had fun but honestly this was really more draining in my life than anything. Thanks for hosting tho

[Linkcat]

First off I want to apologize to anyone who feels that I acted elitist or dismissive during this game. That was not my intention. I was really excited to be playing mafia again after a year, and especially with rob after a whole three years. I put all of my energy into this game and ended up going overboard as I sometimes do. I did find it funny when I died but I was still really salty and I don't actually think you're all terrible at mafia. Ultimately my goal as FGO is to make sure everyone has as good a time as possible, and I'm sorry if I failed at that this time around.

I've put up a series of polls to see where we go from here, make sure to vote in them. Should we choose to go for a different role madness setup, the one we have ready to go is a vig-heavy setup by Sky, so it will probably be a shorter game. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xcEITPw3fIXW2yCUPvY0WI48thIeas4uLvJus5RV-Ag/

I would also appreciate any feedback on the current setup. I feel it went pretty well but there are a few changes I am making.

• Poison will kill you after 1 night instead of 2.
• Fate Egg will not give you the same role twice.
• Freeze will be changed to blocking your next ability use even if it's on a later night, but will let you vote, and Arctic Squid will be changed to ER.
• The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.

I'll come back later with my thoughts on the game.

[MasterWalks]

First off I want to apologize to anyone who feels that I acted elitist or dismissive during this game. That was not my intention. I was really excited to be playing mafia again after a year, and especially with rob after a whole three years. I put all of my energy into this game and ended up going overboard as I sometimes do. I did find it funny when I died but I was still really salty and I don't actually think you're all terrible at mafia. Ultimately my goal as FGO is to make sure everyone has as good a time as possible, and I'm sorry if I failed at that this time around.

I've put up a series of polls to see where we go from here, make sure to vote in them. Should we choose to go for a different role madness setup, the one we have ready to go is a vig-heavy setup by Sky, so it will probably be a shorter game. I know a lot of us try not to remember Mafia 63, but I have made sure that her new setup is actually balanced and has normal mechanics, so keep that in mind when voting.

I would also appreciate any feedback on the current setup. I feel it went pretty well but there are a few changes I am making.

• Poison will kill you after 1 night instead of 2.
• Fate Egg will not give you the same role twice.
• Freeze will be changed to blocking your next ability use even if it's on a later night, but will let you vote, and Arctic Squid will be changed to ER.
• The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.

I'll come back later with my thoughts on the game.

Personally, i had a ton of fun. Seems like people dont have fun when they put wayyyy too much thought into the game. Just play stupid and have fun!

[worldwideweb3]

First off I want to apologize to anyone who feels that I acted elitist or dismissive during this game. That was not my intention. I was really excited to be playing mafia again after a year, and especially with rob after a whole three years. I put all of my energy into this game and ended up going overboard as I sometimes do. I did find it funny when I died but I was still really salty and I don't actually think you're all terrible at mafia. Ultimately my goal as FGO is to make sure everyone has as good a time as possible, and I'm sorry if I failed at that this time around.

I've put up a series of polls to see where we go from here, make sure to vote in them. Should we choose to go for a different role madness setup, the one we have ready to go is a vig-heavy setup by Sky, so it will probably be a shorter game. I know a lot of us try not to remember Mafia 63, but I have made sure that her new setup is actually balanced and has normal mechanics, so keep that in mind when voting.

I would also appreciate any feedback on the current setup. I feel it went pretty well but there are a few changes I am making.

• Poison will kill you after 1 night instead of 2.
• Fate Egg will not give you the same role twice.
• Freeze will be changed to blocking your next ability use even if it's on a later night, but will let you vote, and Arctic Squid will be changed to ER.
• The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.

I'll come back later with my thoughts on the game.

Personally, i had a ton of fun. Seems like people dont have fun when they put wayyyy too much thought into the game. Just play stupid and have fun!

You can tell kae how *bad* he is for mislynching

[Submachine]

I've put up a series of polls to see where we go from here, make sure to vote in them. Should we choose to go for a different role madness setup, the one we have ready to go is a vig-heavy setup by Sky, so it will probably be a shorter game. I know a lot of us try not to remember Mafia 63, but I have made sure that her new setup is actually balanced and has normal mechanics, so keep that in mind when voting.

I would also appreciate any feedback on the current setup. I feel it went pretty well but there are a few changes I am making.

• Poison will kill you after 1 night instead of 2.
• Fate Egg will not give you the same role twice.
• Freeze will be changed to blocking your next ability use even if it's on a later night, but will let you vote, and Arctic Squid will be changed to ER.
• The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.

I'll come back later with my thoughts on the game.

Agree with changes + I suggest the following changes:

• Remove Shrieker from the game or nerf it. Seraph is a more balanced version of it, so removing should be fine. Nerf options would be a.) Zero voting power even with Adrenaline; b.) Burrow lowest priority, Unburrow highest; c.) Make Adrenaline EoR.
• Seraph + Adrenaline should not allow creating unkillable town. That was the point of nerfing Guardian Angel too.
• Firefly Queen seeing Mind Flayers should be clarified.
• Role discretion by the host. This has not been in the rules, but the host should reroll the dice if the role distribution is unfavorable for any side. This time, it has been fine, but we were walking the fine line of having no real information role.
• The nerfed Freeze should be given an extra interaction with one of the roles. E.g: Any interrupted target of the Freeze would also become Frozen. Or if a Frozen player is investigated by Psion, it shows up as Arctic Squid.

I am looking forward to your thoughts about the game, and I didn't find anything upsetting about your play. Town!Sub would have been just legit confused about your readability, that's all.

[serprex]

First off I want to apologize to anyone who feels that I acted elitist or dismissive during this game.

No worries. The "solved game" thing was also a red flag to me because I've seen good scum players entice bad town players into listening to them by offering "ignore how complicated this game is getting, just listen to me & everything is simple" which given a N0 cop kill seemed like a stretch

Also part of the dismissiveness is that when I said "Play with Annele or your scum to me" I wanted you to defend the decision either with much clearer explanation of what information you're seeking, or at least outline consideration of worlds where Annele is town. Instead you fell into arguing that Annele is an infolynch, which is a nice way to wash your hands of the mislynch before it even flips. Saying you needed to go after Annele to figure out what happened in EOD1 when I outlined that most of the train on you D1 were confirmed town, consider too that I pointed out timpa was actually harder to bandwagon than Annele since to save yourself you had to try switch vote to Annele thanks to that Ge0 vote. Ge0 was starting to fall apart ever since I told him he was coming off town, basically got complacent despite my encouraging him to keep rambling

Also that psion call, totally orchestrated with rob not seeing my immediate response etc. Was nice to get you out of the way so I got to orchestrate adrenakaempfer night plan, rip torb

• The extension rule will be changed to: 7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 8 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any trolling to extend the timer, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.

Ew. Secret ballot, reveal votes at eod, I know it goes against your desire for silly final hours, but I feel it's much better for our more casual meta which has people with timezones all over the place

[kaempfer13]

I just dont get people that go above and beyond like Sub when the game has long been sealed. He was dealing with an afk, someone that tunnels said afk (just his afk buddy even moreso), who in turn was voted by someone that everyone agreed was town. He decides preemptively to bundle up the town in order to bus his teammate just on the offchance that i somehow convinced both someone who is basically pulling his scumreads out of a hat and someone that was basically gone, just so he wouldnt end up in the situation that Calindu found himself in. Ok, whatever, I guess we are talking another 4 days and defying kdz's prediction.
Then he just kept ranting about stuff and what makes him town (dude, I'm tunneling Calindu and you won the game 4 days ago, just let me go about my day already) and then suggesting another extension (again game ended 4 days ago if you are scum, y u do dis?) and kept poking at people when there was nothing to talk about and calindu would need like 1 month extension to properly form a real scumread rather than a "this guy is slightly townier than that guy".

[kaempfer13]

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