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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298987#msg1298987
« Reply #1908 on: June 07, 2020, 07:10:05 pm »
Paradoxically this gives me a grim sense of satisfaction.

Spoiler for I wanna go:
... but i know if made bad calls throughout this game, so I don't really deserve to.

Mechanically there is at least 1 scum in andre, shock, i argue it's both and now that I've finally been right about sth I'm gonna push my views again. if Annele eats someone not out of those 2 we lanch her.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298989#msg1298989
« Reply #1909 on: June 07, 2020, 07:27:29 pm »
Currently 6 town vs 3 mafia. After Nightkill, it will be 5 town vs 3 mafia. If Annele eats Town, regardless of her alignment, we are down to 4 town vs 3 mafia.

If Annele eats Mafia, we will be down to 5 town vs 2 mafia, with Annele being welcomed among the strong town leans.

Shock and andre should duke it out between themselves tonight. If they are not w/w, the Town between them should make a case for himself and against the other.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298992#msg1298992
« Reply #1910 on: June 07, 2020, 07:36:59 pm »
Well, we flew a little close to the flame there and got burned. I guess our course is set. Fingers crossed the ship doesn't go down tonight anyway.

Our big unknowns (secondary wise) are in Shock Timpa and kae imo. We haven't confirmed anything in kae, besides that cali confirmed they could be targeted. But then again, do we trust cali?

I'm just going to call it a night and focus on getting something to eat.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298995#msg1298995
« Reply #1911 on: June 07, 2020, 07:41:34 pm »
Death post? Dead thread dead town. Get rekt. \hasta pasta didn't miss it won't miss it  :-*
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298996#msg1298996
« Reply #1912 on: June 07, 2020, 07:42:06 pm »
I had to go out of town urgently, no service no wifi, somehow got a bar of service just now, don't know how long it will last. Not caught up at all (last I read page 153?) sorry for absence
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298998#msg1298998
« Reply #1913 on: June 07, 2020, 08:24:58 pm »
Well, we flew a little close to the flame there and got burned. I guess our course is set. Fingers crossed the ship doesn't go down tonight anyway.

Our big unknowns (secondary wise) are in Shock Timpa and kae imo. We haven't confirmed anything in kae, besides that cali confirmed they could be targeted. But then again, do we trust cali?

I'm just going to call it a night and focus on getting something to eat.
My secondary has been confirmed by both shock(although I'm pretty sure this one was fake atp) and cali (both being able and unable to target respectively at the expected times); id argue it has been confirmed moreso than anyone elses. there is also mw confirming i didnt use it n1.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299003#msg1299003
« Reply #1914 on: June 07, 2020, 08:37:31 pm »
Before it was two lines of conf, shock has obviously fallen through, and cali was/is a little shaky in my eyes still. Two unreliable lines of conf is still two lines, but its just something we should be aware of.

not using an ability =/= conf imo, so while I take MWs word as gold, it doesn't really prove anything here.

I'm just trying to narrow down our anubis here, and especially if shock flips mafia, you should be examined. What better cover for an anubis then an adren'd shrieker ya know?

This line of thinking leaves us with a Shock/Kae/Cali team, which while I'm not confident in, is a line I think has merit. I'm going to take some time to think on this, but it would make sense for a mafia shock to throw in a teammate into his kill list for when he inevitably gets caught.

It could all just be tinfoil, but I'd rather bring it up now and discuss it with the town then dump it before I get nk'd

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299005#msg1299005
« Reply #1915 on: June 07, 2020, 08:44:34 pm »
either of cali or shocks claim proves it though, so you are assuming exactly us 3 as scumteam; either way you shouldnt go after me until at least shock has flipped and that shock and i do not make a scumteam should be obvious for different reasons as well.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299006#msg1299006
« Reply #1916 on: June 07, 2020, 08:46:10 pm »
based on secondary obv; since shock dropped his gn claim obv i am not confirmed town anymore
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299010#msg1299010
« Reply #1917 on: June 07, 2020, 09:27:06 pm »
Look this is just thinking outloud.

Shocks claim aint worth nothing anymore, so the conf of crusader is out the window. We can agree on that much at least.

So were left with calis claim that you were targetable one night, and then untargetable the next, and further that target was adren. Assuming cali was telling the truth, that leaves us with you either as an adrened shrieker, or as an adrened anubis, but it in no way confirms your primary role. (Since you could have just anubis'd yourself n1 when you claimed to endow torb, given that endow and anubis are right next to each other on the priority list, this would have been relatively safe)

A moment of reflect leads me to doubt myself on cali though. Theyre in a weird territory for me still. I dont think a mafia Green nymph would have a reason to target torb n1. My tinfoil blinded me to the realities of the past night, thus a revision.

shock/Kae/???

??? being one of Timpa, Annele, and geo IMO.

MW - Forced my hand, but I doubt a mafia would do that so publicly to their own, and so eagerly jump on.

Sub - I need to review my opinion of sub. All previous reads/examinations have been with a view that is tainted by shock.

Geo - Still sus of them, nothing has changed. Theyre skirting by only to conveniently come back right at EoD and make a post? Idk. Everything geo does, aside from their claim, seems to rub me the wrong way.

Timpa & Annele - More review required. Annele has a chance to "prove" themselves, or condemn themselves. So that'll solve itself really. Timpa is flying under the radar for me. I'll need to redouble and examine their posts again

Shock - :/

Kae - As discussed above. This is just in the tinfoil stage, but i think it has merit for discussion.

Cali - As stated above, I dont see a reason for scum cali to target torb n1. That just feels like a silly move no matter how you dice it, they couldn't have known how n2 would play out UNLESS they were all on the same team. Thus, unless both kae/shock are mafia, they're probably fine. If kae and shock do both flip mafia though, examination of cali could be beneficial. Its hard to tell now though, Cali is by far the person Im having the toughest time with. I am compelled in both directions on them. Still, for now it feels reasonable to read them as towny.

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To clarify the Shock/Kae/Cali tinfoil we had a torb claim and we had a kae claim, and we had cali target torb on N1. N2 The idea to make a second invincible town came about, and thus the plan was the leave torb open so Kae could nab it, and to adren kae. This left both kae and torb open to attack. Torb tried to WiFoM but it failed, and kae claims to have gotten adrend and shrieker. I am not the first to mention that this process went a little clean for there to have been no mafia involved.  Really, aside from Kae claiming to have gotten the shriker, and Cali claiming to have targeted kae, we dont have confirmation. Hell, cali could even be a towny and going along with the plan and not know it, because an anubis attempt by kae on n2 could have slipped in after the adren, only to be blocked n3.

This is why I was confused about serps plan on n3, I thought the plan was to prove kae WAS still targetable, so we could determine if they were able to toggle their immortality.

Were in a rush to find some stability after robs death, but I strongly believe we wont find it in kae.

Again I'm not even sure if this is anything beyond tinfoil, but its my working theory of whats going on. Beyond this, I dont really see a shock team anywhere, even if we do flip shock and theyre mafia.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299014#msg1299014
« Reply #1918 on: June 07, 2020, 10:14:10 pm »
I'm all for Annele eating me or shock tonight. If she eats town or doesn't use her ability, mafia is one ML from winning anyway. If she eats mafia, we get a bit more comfortable (I'll also be around even if I'm eaten). By pure POE, one of us has to be the one that targeted serp (I think we did rule out all other possibilities).

I'll take a closer look at shock's posts and make my case.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299032#msg1299032
« Reply #1919 on: June 08, 2020, 06:10:49 pm »
I was away for almost a full day and barely any activity. >_>

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We know almost everyone's roles now, so we can try to formulate a plan.

It is better to get over with using Otyugh. If we misuse it now, we still have room to wiggle. If we misuse it tomorrow, (or let it be misused tomorrow,) it's game over. But if Annele eats a mafia tonight, we pretty much confirm her. So it's a wiggle-or-win scenario tonight.

Annele: Shock and timpa contains 1 or 2 mafia. Pick someone who you scumread more.

Ge0metry v1.2 [Ghost of the Past]: Geo should target shock, because shock's ability is either useless (Psion) or he is mafia (Fate Egg).

shockcannon [Psion / Fate Egg]: If shock really is Psion, his only unchecked target is andretimpa.

Calindu [Green Nymph]: It has zero effect on anything, but you can give green to kdz or MW. As a token gift.

killsdazombies [Vulture]: It's better if you don't tell us who you target, just in case your target would decide to become immaterial.

kaempfer13 [Shrieker]: Kae should unburrow tonight.

andretimpa [Phoenix / Anubis]: You should not be able to target anyone.

Submachine / MasterWalks [Dragonfly]: And the Dragonflies can check both kaempfer and andretimpa. We would finally get a second opinion of kaempfer's immortality (in case it is still a question whether he is Anubis or not), and we would also make sure a Phoenix doesn't suddenly use an ability. MW, if you agree, who do you want to target from the two?





I'm just trying to narrow down our anubis here, and especially if shock flips mafia, you should be examined. What better cover for an anubis then an adren'd shrieker ya know?

This line of thinking leaves us with a Shock/Kae/Cali team, which while I'm not confident in, is a line I think has merit. I'm going to take some time to think on this, but it would make sense for a mafia shock to throw in a teammate into his kill list for when he inevitably gets caught.

To assume that kaempfer is an Anubis, the following conditions must be true:
  • Kaempfer is mafia, otherwise he wouldn't claim Crusader.
  • Shockcannon is mafia, because he claimed Kae was a Crusader on Night 0.
  • Kaempfer did not use his ability on Night 0, as seen by MasterWalks.
  • Kaempfer targeted serprex on Night 1. That is when serprex became immaterial.
  • When kaempfer claimed Crusader on Day 2, he had to expect TorB to unburrow for him, otherwise he would have been busted very easily.
  • Kaempfer targeted TorB on Night 2, because I saw it happen.
  • Calindu is mafia, because Kaempfer used Anubis twice in a row.
  • Calindu had to target Kaempfer on Night 1 or Night 2.
  • TorB confirmed that he received Adrenaline on Night 1, so Cal could only target Kae on Night 2.
  • On Night 3, Calindu's claim of kaempfer being immaterial is null, because they are both mafia.

It is a possibility, but only if things went exactly like I listed above. If any of the three is town, Kae cannot be Anubis. There are much simpler worlds where timpa or shock is the Anubis.
And we keep driving into the night
It's a late goodbye, such a late goodbye...

~ Platinum Quest ~

 

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