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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
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1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298933#msg1298933
« Reply #1860 on: June 07, 2020, 03:34:06 am »
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- rob has tried to lynch Annele, andre, and Calindu with intent to kill in positions where another target was very easily lynchable.
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By the way shock, if I'm scum then pushing a wagon uphill with a rope like I've done on most all my cases this game is NOT how scum win a game when they are as visible and post-present as I am. Smart players will know this and if they're town take it into account as a TOWN activity. Of course, you'll do as you always do and simply choose to bury your head in your own world to play your own game, apparently. Cheers mate. By the way, I still think you're most likely town making terrible plays repeatedly.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298934#msg1298934
« Reply #1861 on: June 07, 2020, 03:40:30 am »
shock's play / "phase 3" is ridiculous right now. His case is bad - I've already refuted or addressed every point - even though he is on record as both wanting me to respond and also stating he won't review any response I give. I just cannot believe that a scum!shock would push such an absurd case. As I said before, both Ge0, Annele, and Cal have had MUCH more heat than I have so if shock is scum AT LEAST one of those other players has to be town and an easier push for possible mislynch, I think shock is just making $#@!-y town play because as scum this seems just suicidal. If shock is town though this is freaking ludicrous. To state you somehow "know" another player is mafia short of anything but a red peek like Golden Nymph can do and then to decide you are ONLY voting them and not going to engage their rebuttal or discuss with them .... if you're town at the end of all this (day, game, etc.) I'm refusing to ever freaking play in a game with you ever again. I do not mince those words --- track record speaks all of it. I once decided I would never play here so long as private out of thread conversation was allowed and I didn't I vanished for months / years. If you're town this type of play simply horrible.

If you're scum then the game will take care of you I believe. If you're town, once more time in case people skipped the text block above --- your case is horrible and if you continue to refuse to even engage in conversation about your case that I have rebutted then I'm going to do my best to play this out for a town win but I'm never playing if you're in a game in the future. Simply ridiculous at this point.



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Expanding on a bit of something I said before and stated above - if Ge0 / Annele / Cal are town then what could possibly be the reason NOBODY, outside of kae on Ge0 and myself on Annele (anyone still pushing Cal case??), is trying to seek lynch on them? If they are town, then they are RIPE for mislynch... I however have an on-going case on Annele and if she is town I"d expect the trio of scum remaining to be active enough to try to push there ... it makes spider-sense tingle that at least one of them is mafia.

shock - if you're somehow frickin' town this game, then play the game and flesh out why you think Annele is town eh? I read your ISO and it is so all over the place or filled with things so off-kilter as to be nearly unreadable that I would like to see your read on Annele put together all in one place.



timpa - what you up to there eh? I live in a world where a TOWN player than immaterial'd serp misreading the rules/roles would (_SHOULD_) have come clean by now... so seems pretty much a mafia dropped annointing on serp N1 and I know it wasn't me, and there are very compelling reasons to believe it wasn't most anyone else in the game except a possible egg!shock or myself (an egg -- I did not immaterial serp, but that is clearly WIFOM coming from me) or YOU. I think you've had enough time to get your claim set up and straight to be believable. Are you scumming again this game? I remember being scum with you in one of my last (or my last/previous?) games here prior and you were very keen to let the thread flow on its own so long as you arent' in the limelight etc... feels a lot like what you're doing here?? (Busy in life is fair I suppose... but what can you offer as a minimum to defend that you are NOT the one who acted as Anubis on serp back N1?).
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298935#msg1298935
« Reply #1862 on: June 07, 2020, 03:46:01 am »
MW - wtf mate? Are you just simply "going with shock's ludicrous crap" approach and voting me? You really think I've been somehow power-wolf-ing out of my mind in some kind of god-like manner all this time???!? There is just no way you can actually believe shock's case? Town, which has me included, really really needs you to keep a level head about this becasue you are WIDELY town-read and will get lots of town to simply sheep your vote because they can't be arsed to play for real and gives GREAT/easy cover for scum to simply pile up and runaway train me here.

Please make sure you are very carefully considering. Your angle that if shock is town and rob is town then town loses feels pretty spot on if we let shock strongarm this day into being rob-shock thunderdome. I think he is most probably town this game... I know my alignment, and I'm simply not ready to just lie down and let $#@!-town (probably) toss my multi-week investment of time down the freaking tubes because they are self-blinded and not being realistic about all this.


Maybe this is a good time for me to make it known I am VERY likely to miss EOD for this phase due to family obligations and things like that... I do NOT want that to play much into how others vote but I say it to help clarify why I'm feeling a bit frantic about this now because I have a couple more hours maybe and possibly a few short things I can do tomorrow morning before I am incommunicado rest of day, in essence.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298936#msg1298936
« Reply #1863 on: June 07, 2020, 03:48:35 am »
I cannot believe Annele is simply just "off the table" despite nothing really going on there to warrant such untouchable status.

But, I cannot shout from the roof my scumread there while I get tanked by what I believe to be bad play by other town... so I'm forced into a world where I vote a scumread of mine that offers a fair counter-wagon chance _OR_ later in the phase if need be I'll self-pres onto ANYBODY. Mark that down. I will self-pres if necessary and the time comes for it.


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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298937#msg1298937
« Reply #1864 on: June 07, 2020, 03:50:21 am »
no offense to Annele but is she worth the resources to investigate?

We know everything we need to. Shes oty, DC flayed her all game, and she is never here. During War she only showed up to play her battles. Im willing to believe busy irl.

Now, im also willing to believe she is mafia. Im willing to vote her off but not yet. I think we need one more day/night with a different, more informative lynch today. If we lynch you or shock, we have a gameplan. We could literally leave the thread dead and win.


MW - wtf mate? Are you just simply "going with shock's ludicrous crap" approach and voting me? You really think I've been somehow power-wolf-ing out of my mind in some kind of god-like manner all this time???!? There is just no way you can actually believe shock's case? Town, which has me included, really really needs you to keep a level head about this becasue you are WIDELY town-read and will get lots of town to simply sheep your vote because they can't be arsed to play for real and gives GREAT/easy cover for scum to simply pile up and runaway train me here.

Please make sure you are very carefully considering. Your angle that if shock is town and rob is town then town loses feels pretty spot on if we let shock strongarm this day into being rob-shock thunderdome. I think he is most probably town this game... I know my alignment, and I'm simply not ready to just lie down and let $#@!-town (probably) toss my multi-week investment of time down the freaking tubes because they are self-blinded and not being realistic about all this.


Maybe this is a good time for me to make it known I am VERY likely to miss EOD for this phase due to family obligations and things like that... I do NOT want that to play much into how others vote but I say it to help clarify why I'm feeling a bit frantic about this now because I have a couple more hours maybe and possibly a few short things I can do tomorrow morning before I am incommunicado rest of day, in essence.


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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298938#msg1298938
« Reply #1865 on: June 07, 2020, 03:50:55 am »
Spoiler for Hidden:
Heres a question then. Do we believe Rob/shock are different alignments? If so, we have two pretty good options/outcomes

If shock is innocent, and we conclude rob in mafia, annele can eat rob. Should that fail, we can lynch rob ourselves. (Either because Annele gets nightkilled or rob gets protected somehow)

If rob is innocent, we don't really have an offensive cover, shock will almost certainly survive the night given how tied he is with annele.

I'm inclined to believe shock, I would rather lynch rob over shock, but it might be safer to hedge our bet.

This of course dismisses my earlier tinfoil, that neither are mafia, but I dont know if thats even possible tbh.

I'd like to hear thoughts on this, specifically from MW, who is the only Conf town in my book, Shock, who I believe more then rob, and Sub, who while I believe shock, still seems town to me.

And obvious annele if they log in.

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im down to lynch rob.
If Rob flips town we lynch shock.
If shock flips town and we lose.

Ill believe shock due to no one else has a better plan.
What? lynch annele? if annele flips mafia then yay we got the inactive one and cue ridiculously paranoid vote pattern readings.
If she flips town, then we probably lynch rob see [1]

I say we skip the annele step, lynch rob and hope for mafia flip. (inb4 annele flip maf and people use this against me)

Im confirmed town on pretty much everyones radar. I will most likely be NK'd next. Probably wont be able to get another ability use. I say if town FE rolls dragonfly, target andre.

Annele, if your town and rob flips town, eat shock. dont let him spew anymore nonsense.

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I was saying Shock has locked themselves in with annele, I'm willing to bet both either share an alignment or shock thinks they do, I wasn't suggesting an annele lynch, just that annele could eat someone as long as they aren't nightkilled or blocked.

If rob flips town though, its likely annele flips mafia with shock imo. or at least, its a spooky territory.

Math time

Worst case scenario for a rob flip town and annele is mafia
If we flip Rob, and they are town we go from 3 v 7 to 3 v 6. Then NK, putting us at 3v5, then annele eats a town. 3v4, and shock actually is fate egg manages to roll otyugh/Splatoon OR n2 shock rolled toadfish and poisoned someone, thus theyll die tonight leaving us 3v3.

Worst case we flip shock and shock is town
Similar pattern, NK puts us at 3v5. Annele should be pretty okay, they eat rob, and assuming shock and rob are V/W it goes to 2v5. If they aren't its 3v4 and were at a similar scenario for the above.

All lines of play I can see right now revolve around managing the risk annele innately presents by being otyugh.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298939#msg1298939
« Reply #1866 on: June 07, 2020, 03:52:38 am »
MW - I don't want to vote a town-read of mine unless it is self-pres. I cannot at this time believe he would make such a wack-a-doodle play as scum with a team. I am somewhow able to at least get a bit of belief that a town-shock thinks this ridiculous play he's made is a good idea (it isn't). If he is town like I suspect, then voting / lynching EITHER of he or myself today / next day phase is a SURE LOSS for town. I don't want that world, so I'm not starting a shock train... I'll as stated before self-pres there if absolutely necessary.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298940#msg1298940
« Reply #1867 on: June 07, 2020, 03:54:14 am »
All lines of play I can see right now revolve around managing the risk annele innately presents by being otyugh.

pretty much this. Im down to roll the dice on her not using it tho.

can we get someone to do a r/theydidthemath to make sure we can actually afford keeping a possible maf oty alive?
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« Reply #1868 on: June 07, 2020, 03:57:40 am »
If you think Annele is maf Oty then there is NO reason to keep her alive. kills - you're scenario is a bit generous on the "worst case" which is actually more likely flip shock-or-rob (I flip town... or shock probably flips town) down to 3v6. NK plus Oty-east a town --> 3-4. Lynch the other of rob/shock (I flip town, or shock probably flips town) ----- GAME IS OVER at 3v3. So as I see it right now, pursuing the flip both shock and rob is essentially auto-loss for town at this point... because I know my alignment and I suspect shock is town.

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« Reply #1869 on: June 07, 2020, 03:59:06 am »
This is still working off the idea that You and shock do not share an alignment. If you do, the game is probably close to over anyway IMO. I suppose you can add the qualifier Worst case (Assuming Shock/rob are not V/V)

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298943#msg1298943
« Reply #1870 on: June 07, 2020, 03:59:48 am »
MW - I don't want to vote a town-read of mine unless it is self-pres. I cannot at this time believe he would make such a wack-a-doodle play as scum with a team. I am somewhow able to at least get a bit of belief that a town-shock thinks this ridiculous play he's made is a good idea (it isn't). If he is town like I suspect, then voting / lynching EITHER of he or myself today / next day phase is a SURE LOSS for town. I don't want that world, so I'm not starting a shock train... I'll as stated before self-pres there if absolutely necessary.

if shock is mafia, the mafia team will probably just let him play himself. They might proof read his posts but anyone who knows shock would know him being just natural him is the least (but also most) sus way for him to play. I dont really believe everything he says and im probably being dumb by being down for a sketchy info lynch, but we need a gameplan if we want any hopes of winning and lynching annele will not get us a gamplan especially if she flips mafia (which is what we are hoping for right?)

give me step by step what we do until end of game if annele flips mafia.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298944#msg1298944
« Reply #1871 on: June 07, 2020, 04:01:12 am »
kdz - what on earth would a scum!shock be doing with this choice of thunderdome and timing? There are enough players in most people's POE's that scum!shock _should_ have no reason for this ridiculous play/push. So from my perspective the fact he is making the push and I think that he is town doing it ---- well, you can understand my frantic nature of trying to get people to think elsewhere (that is, a rob-shock thunderdome portends almost certain disaster - town loss).
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