@MW I just meant your take on the situation in general, and if you had caught any of their targets earlier then tonight, I know you posted your results from last night. I just dont recall your N1 stuff.
My plan was as it is today. We could afford a mistake, and we had a 100% bus in the back. Giving ian more time to interact, and apply pressure, allows us to extract all the info we can from them before we uhhh relieve them. I wanted to get an extra read in without claiming. It was like 4/12 or something, we were safe enough.
Some people think lying to the town is bad, and it /usually/ is. But telling the town is also telling the mafia. Gotta determine if the juice is worth the squeeze, and I maintain yesterday wasn't. I would have claimed ian at start of this day and killed him today. Hoping to have set the stage yesterday for a plausible bus. (this was when my working plan involved a dead geo, i'm unsure if it does any more)
Now onto the matter at hand
Annele (3) - Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (7) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, serprex, rob77dp, shockcannon
This is the vote count just before shock claimed GN and conf'd kae.
It was
Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
before rob posted.
A competing town lynch was already starting before shock said anything, and I'm unsure if this was the best course of action. A lot of Shocks plays feel obtuse with hindsight, but so does mine. I understand the desire to follow a plan of action, and its likely this was forming early, just as my vulture PoA was.
Shock mentioned this, but Shock did out annele. We already can reasonably assume shock and annele are on the same team, or at least, shock thinks they are. Further, linkcat asked for n1 psions to target moe/serp to make sure they weren't an unstoppable duo. The Mafia anubis could have used this to take a 50/50 to cast doubt on them. It would have been relatively easy, and forced out a psion claim. We have nearly everyone aside from Sub and Timpa roleclaiming right now, because shock outed annele
Annele is otyugh.
and annele confirmed it later
Yes, I'm oty. Not sure if shock got that from an ability or my lame attempts at breadcrumming. I've tried using my ability twice, two nights ago on kae and last night on cal.
Now it is true that Rob comes back and corrects himself on this, but I already wrote this and I think proof/evidence is important. Rob corrected with this
Spoiler for Hidden:
Annele - like why would you not out this info the Day phase after you were blocked or flayed or otherwise had your ability stopped? I don't know why town (as I've said before on this about you claim here) wouldn't claim this being blocked in the thread at a point during the next Day phase??
shock - in my re-reading a few things from Annele I do see here where you pre-emptively out ANnele's role prior to her claiming it... so this is a point in your favor on my previous few text-walls refuting your case on me (namely that all your targets were outed in the thread before you claimed any role info Psion would give you if you're Psion). I'm still really curious about what the heck you were doing early game when you came out acting like you had some kind of evidence on kae that was alignment indicattve... whereas now you claim to have Psion'd him N0 and learned he was Crusade -- like htf does that lead to the way you came out about him in the thread like you knew alignment already on like Day 1, Day 2??!??
Yes, I'm oty. Not sure if shock got that from an ability or my lame attempts at breadcrumming. I've tried using my ability twice, two nights ago on kae and last night on cal.
I actually almost did eat Linkcat on n1 but the general feeling in the thread was against kae at that point, including by serp, so I went that way. I didn't say anything about being blocked from eating kae because I wasn't sure what stopped it and I didn't know if it was a good idea to claim or not. (I only got a PM saying "Your ability failed".) I tried to breadcrum what I'd planned and what had happened, but I don't know if that was useful at all.
The only suggestions for offensive roles I saw last night were directed at me, which wasn't particularly useful. I guessed that cal was the next most suspicious player since Linkcat called him out before dying, and went for him. I didn't mention anything in the thread that time because I was worried that mafia had a warden or something and that was why my kill didn't go through the first time, so I didn't want to advertise my target again. If it was just DC blocking me both nights, that makes a lot of sense.
A lot has happened since I've been able to read the thread in any detail, so I've got a lot of catching up to do. Sorry for being so absent, I'll try and contribute a bit more this time. If I don't get lynched this round I'm very happy to be directed by serp on who to try and eat, or if I should use my ability at all.
Annele already posted why they haven't been calling out their block targets, in that post actually. I understand their position, but I agree its... odd. Annele has been in a weird N zone for me all game, and none of their few posts have helped that. Especially given their last post was a whopping 4 days ago.
onto the Shock/Sub interactions
I'm not going to quote a specific passage, because this felt more like a conversation then an accusation, and I both dont have the desire, nor feel the need to, dissect it piece by piece, and i think doing so would be wrong.
Everything sub has said feels correct, I picked up on a few of the bread crumbs sub has been laying down, especially the dismissal of being doc. This dismissal of assumption put a solid town read in my book, but it was countered by the call for a roleclaim (which I feel is usually a bad idea.) and their GN plan. Subs plan of action beyond those two hiccups seems both town, and reasonable. Further, I agree Rob/shock is not W/W.
Further, everything shock has said also feels correct, however. I disagree on their opinion on sub, and I think their play with kae was a touch reckless.
Sub willing to die on Robs hill reads town of sub for me, but contributes nothing for my opinion of rob.
I'll end this little post with a call to action. We need our low post counts to start speaking more. I admit, I was a low poster for a while, and that actively hurt the town. I would like to beat my previous predictions of 2M/lose
I'm inclined to believe shock atm. They play exactly like me IRL, and they have a similar distrust of rob. (Hell, I've done the fake cop thing before myself.) This could just be a mafia member appealing to my distrust of rob though, to move forward on an unlikely lynch target.
Again though, this is good timing. We have room to make mistakes. I was planning on using that room myself, but I see this is a much better use for that wiggle room.
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