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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298871#msg1298871
« Reply #1812 on: June 05, 2020, 08:39:59 pm »
The list of possible Anubises is not very long.
If I count that Annele cannot be Anubis and if I believe rob's reports, then only the following people can be it:

1. iancudorinmarian
12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
15. killsdazombies
18. Ge0metry v1.2

@MasterWalks: If you have seen one of these people target someone, please help to narrow the list.

AFAIK, shock has not said anything about his N1 action, so it is possible that he got Anubis from Fate Egg.
Found it. And the list is now even smaller.

12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
18. Ge0metry v1.2

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298873#msg1298873
« Reply #1813 on: June 05, 2020, 08:58:47 pm »
@Ge0

I need a role claim from you now otherwise I will have to vote you up unfortunately.

@Annele

I know you're town. Since I'm pretty much the only one who has trusted you this entire time I would like you to trust me as well. Unless you or I come upon some revelation in the next day, make sure you devour Calindu the next night. Ignore what others say.

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Phase 3 of my plan will begin once Ge0 role claims OR if andretimpa and submachine share who they visited last night.



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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298874#msg1298874
« Reply #1814 on: June 05, 2020, 09:35:49 pm »
Mafia slipped up big time and now it's checkmate. Phase 3 is currently being typed up. Many of you will be skeptical because it's coming from me, and I do not play mafia in the traditional fashion. Some might consider that play to be suboptimal and even harmful to town, but without my 4d chess tactics I would never have been able to achieve what I have.


Before the big post comes, I will you leave you all with this very relevant and humorous snip of conversation.

kaempfer, welcome to "connecting with shock" I guess?

FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!

It is indicative of shock's reads. They are different from reads another person would make in his position. He's playing his own game, which he is winning by a landslide btw.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298880#msg1298880
« Reply #1815 on: June 05, 2020, 11:09:52 pm »
Phase 3: The Reveal

I am going to start by listing who I think the 3 remaining mafia are. I will then begin by listing facts and using those to make conclusions that support my mafia. Any "facts" about myself or relating to the results of my role are obviously potential lies, but I am going to treat them as facts.

Spoiler for Disclaimer #1::
I have lied previously in this game. It served a purpose but I understand that some are very ingrained in the idea that town should never have a reason to lie. I disagree, but I understand the sentiment and that is what this disclaimer is for. HOWEVER, I DO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH IN EVERYTHING I POST FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS GAME. If you don't believe me, then you should probably consider me mafia and vote me out. I do think that's a close-minded and rookie mistake, but I won't tell you how to play as I have chosen to play my own way as well.

Spoiler for Disclaimer #2::
I may make some incriminating statements about Submachine. I wanted to wait for him to reveal his role before I posted, but I'd rather not wait on the post. Sub already claimed he visited me last night, and this may be used as a way to throw blame on me. I'm pretty sure I'm the only role that could fact check Submachine, so it's really just his word vs. mine if it comes down to it. This is an unfortunate circumstance, but you can always just lynch one of us to find the truth.

Proposed mafia:
rob77dp
kaempfer13
Submachine

Ge0metry v1.2 (I used to think this was a lock, but after analyzing all the possible mafia teams, I think there's only like a 10% chance Ge0 is mafia. In fact, it looks as if the real mafia have set up Ge0 to be the perfect scapegoat to use late game when they just need to survive one last turn.)



Facts:

1.) My role is Psion. I am not fate egg. I am not golden nymph. I am Psion. Here are my results:

N0 --> kaempfer13 (crusader - role had not been used yet since psion has lowest priority)
N1 --> moehrpi (deja vu - this was a wasted use but it only wastes 1 night and it's pretty much a guaranteed win if they ended up being mafia)
N2 --> Annele (Otyugh)
N3 --> Ge0 (Ghost of the Past)

2.) Serprex was given immortality by what is likely mafia Anubis to prevent town from possibly healing him.


Knowing fact #2, I think can safely say that there is an Anubis, or at least a fate egg Anubis who is mafia and used immortality on serprex. So, if we can find this Anubis we can find a mafia. Well let's go down the list of who it could be from the remaining players.

Potential Anubis:
shockcannon - psion
kaempfer - crusader
Annele - Otyugh
Ge0metry v1.2 - Ghost of the Past
!Calindu - Green Nymph
*killsdazombie - Vulture turned Golden Nymph
*MasterWalks - Dragonfly

andretimpa - ??
Submachine - ??
rob77dp - Fate Egg or Otyugh

* = MW and kdz technically not confirmed but let's be real, their roles are pretty much confirmed even if their alignment is not. I can also confirm either of their roles the next night if need be.
! = In case anyone forgot, TorB who is a confirmed town claimed that he received adrenaline, and Calindu claimed to be green nymph with no one contesting.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________

So let's break down the remaining 3 suspects.

andretimpa
This player has already been on the chopping block once for an extreme lack of substance in posts. Additionally, we have no idea what role andre is because andre has never revealed any of that. However, andre was extremely close to dying Day 1, which is the least likely day for a mafia to be lynched. Mafia has the most control while the town has the least information at this time. Additionally, ian had voted on andre with intent to kill. This clears andre for me. I personally don't need more evidence to be convinced that andre is town. Now, it's possible he's Anubis and town so we need a roleclaim, but I'm assuming that the Anubis is a mafia member, and I don't think andre is a mafia.

Submachine
Submachine claims to have visited me N3. I was not given immortality. This clears Submachine for me. (Obviously you might think we're both mafia, but I can only state things from my point of view.)

rob77dp
Remember when I said rob was mafia back in day 1? Remember when I said rob was mafia back in day 2? Well serprex also thought he was mafia but somehow he just slips through the cracks. Anyways, this is the third, last, and most likely mafia Anubis in the game. He even said he would target serprex. Great excuse to justify his visit just in case there was a firefly or something on serprex. Conveniently uses the psion as a perfect scapegoat to justify visiting serprex only to give him immortality. We lost our most afk town N0 who no one would care if they died. Then our confirmed town gets immortality the same night our fate egg visits him? Like this isn't a coincidence folks. We have our mafia right here.

Stop using emotional reads when there are mechanical reads available. I'm sick of this "if rob is mafia then I deserve to lose. He has to be town." Rob is a good player. He knows how to trick you. But they slipped up. It can literally only be rob or Submachine as andretimpa is basically confirmed town due to ian's voting.

@andretimpa
If you are town Anubis and you mistakenly gave serprex immortality you need to speak up right now. Regardless you need to claim because if you're not Anubis we pretty much found our mafia in rob.


Spoiler for to be continued:
This was a lot to write and I'm a bit tired so I'll follow up some time in the near future with why I'm quite certain kaempfer and Submachine are the last 2 mafia. For now, I want to hear thoughts on what I've written so far, because I know I'm pretty much the only one who thinks and has thought that rob is mafia. I basically just mechanically confirmed him as the Anubis who gave serprex immortality so........yeah. Goodluck countering that rob. I'm curious to see what you try though.

As a little preview though, I was very curious how kaempfer and others would react if I faked fate egg Golden Nymph and claimed kaempf to be town. If he was mafia, he would obviously know I was lying and would react in a certain way. Unfortunately for him, he reacted exactly how I expected him to as mafia, and when I went to check his voting patterns, it aligns quite well with being on a team with rob.

As for Submachine, hard to be suspicious in voting patterns if you never vote. Also "I will only vote to save Linkcat." Yet, somehow you conveniently disappeared in the last few minutes of day 1 and didn't even vote day 2 to save Linkcat. Suspicious much??? I think so.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298885#msg1298885
« Reply #1816 on: June 05, 2020, 11:47:35 pm »
I forgot to mention, that it is possible that some of the players with revealed roles are fate egg also and could be anubis as much as rob. I really don't think that's the case though, but I can always use my psion role to check if someone's role has changed.

Considering all the info we have though, rob is really the most likely candidate here. Obviously, the other option is that I'm mafia. But I ask those of you that are skeptical, are you really going to trust your emotional reads that rob "feels town" more than a logical, mechanical breakdown through process of elimination such as I have just done?

I'm also quite open to lynching me, just so you can see me flip town with the psion role. Then you can finally believe all my info which pretty much paints rob as the only person who could be the mafia Anubis.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298888#msg1298888
« Reply #1817 on: June 06, 2020, 12:25:05 am »
Rob is FE not oty. He knew who I targeted and I know who he targeted.

Shock, both sub and Rob visited you last night
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298889#msg1298889
« Reply #1818 on: June 06, 2020, 12:47:31 am »
Did you even read my post?
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298890#msg1298890
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298891#msg1298891
« Reply #1820 on: June 06, 2020, 02:13:50 am »
Part 2 (I'm lazy so just bullet points of random stuff):

- I cannot be the Anubis unless I'm actually fate egg because MasterWalks targeted kaempf N0 and saw me visit kaempf. Now if I'm Anubis that gave kaempf immortality, MW targeting of kaempf would've failed. Not to mention, Calindu gave kaempf adrena on N2.

- kaempf cannot be Anubis either unless hit jackpot rolls as fate egg and got super lucky with a claim. I visited kaempf N0 and saw crusader. Now assuming he's egg, he would've had to give serp immortality N1 if he rolled Anubis. But then he's somehow invulnerable again N3 when Calindu rechecks (and Green Nymph takes priority over Anubis. So the only possibility is if he rolled crusader N0 and did nothing, then rolled Anubis N1 and gave serp immortality, and then rolled crusader again N2 AFTER claiming he was crusader on day 2 (which goes before N2), and then stealing torb's role. So basically, kaempf isn't Anubis either.

Given this, there are only two scenarios:

1.) rob rolled Anubis N1 and gave serprex immortality while lying about being psion. This basically means he's mafia.

2.) I'm fate egg and rolled Anubis N1 and gave serprex immortality. In which case, I'm mafia. So yes, you should lynch either me or rob today because one of us gave serprex immortality.

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Everything here on assumes rob is mafia. Again, either rob or I have to be mafia. So if you're still convinced rob is town, then lynch me and then come back to this post and read again for the answers to this game.


- rob has tried to lynch Annele, andre, and Calindu with intent to kill in positions where another target was very easily lynchable. ian has tried to lynch Annele and andre with intent to kill, and made no move to save Calindu when Calindu and Linkcat were close in votes on day 2. This clears, Calindu, Annele, and andre for me without a doubt.

Dead thread dead town feeling about this right now... Or scum are already on scum!Kae wagon. If Kae is town I don't expect any scum to be further acting to vote on him.

I'd really like to get a situation with Annele wagon in range of Kae - we HAVE to have a flip today... but I want to be able to reasonably expect some activity so that wolves feel a need to engage and act, with the hopes we can deduce who is acting wolf (now and\or later).

- Day 2 we get this quote from rob, in which he makes a last ditch effort to save kaempfer without seeming scummy. Almost everyone thought kaempf was mafia and there was no reason not to go ahead with the lynch. Yet, rob offers up a train on Annele to get things close again.

Sub- are you going to make a solid meaningful vote today? Eod1 was disappointing from you last time... No personal offense intended.

You were willing to sheep\vote on Annele last day... How about now??

serp- I'm going to be upset if Annele is scum that I've tried to push for many days and I let off the gas now. Is Link a wagon that could happen today even? How many votes on Kae are just parked and the player is going to ghost this EOD?

- Two posts later we get this gem. Banter with sub, random push for Annele despite town having already decided to lynch kaempf, and deflects serprex's comment about lynching Link with an almost a mocking question. Gotta keep defending Linkcat so you can keep using him, amiright?

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Final read list considering rob a confirmed mafia due to the above mechanical reasons and from my last several posts.


town:
shockcannon - well I'm obviously going to say I'm town

Annele - voted against by rob and ian with intent to kill when they could've easily been saved

andre - voted against by rob and ian with intent to kill when they could've easily been saved

Calindu - voted against by rob with intent to kill when they could've easily been saved. ian continued to leave vote on Annele even with Calindu in danger

kdz - Killed off ian. Granted to save his own life but hard to bluff the whole GN scenario and outing ian with MW having seen who he visited. Kind of weird for mafia kdz to visit mafia ian. Also can't be Anubis because MW ability on ian worked.

MasterWalks - Confirmed kdz claim. If MW is mafia with ian, then he could've easily counterclaimed kdz to keep kdz as the lynch target.

probably town but maybe mafia:
Ge0 - His votes really scream town just voting off gut feeling. Now that I strongly believe kaempf, sub, and rob are mafia, I just see Ge0 being used as bait to lure town away from the real truth. Also, rob initiated a vote on Ge0 day 3 with seemingly intent to kill, so assuming rob is mafia, Ge0 is likely town.

mafia:
rob - I listed the mechanical reasons why. This is our fate egg turned Anubis N1 that gave serprex immortality. It can't be anyone else except for me.
kaempfer13 - He failed my experimental bluff. Rob tried very discretely to save him day 2 by getting an Annele train started. kaempfer also heavily defended rob early on for really no reason at all.
Submachine - doesn't vote, doesn't share role, doesn't do anything but make distracting noise. Town that doesn't get involved in lynches other than to save one player that he conveniently knows 100% is town, is not a town move. Also failed to save Linkcat twice ironically. Made a post afterwards saying how guilty he felt though. That sure makes up for it.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298893#msg1298893
« Reply #1821 on: June 06, 2020, 03:04:57 am »
shock - you are barking pretty loud up the wrong tree.

I will continue to tinfoil kdz I think until end of time.... anyone who has played since elements mafia 2 and played in real life and goes to in person mafia conferences is going to be GOOD at this game. I therefore think it is entirely POSSIBLE kdz acted out the ian thing as w/w teammates. I however do NOT find it plausible and for now continue to proceed with kdz as lock!town.

MW playing such an integral part of the Day 3 ian lynch and other things (like his being so quite up front about his role and HOW HE HAS USED IT and who he has targeted screams town to me). I am proceeding with MW currently as lock!town.

I saw you target Ge0 last night, and saw MW and Sub both visited you. Hence I knew and posted in thread about MW in that manner prior to anybody else doing so. You think I knew that how, other than being honest about my role, targets, and info? (HINT: this is pro town activity, I'm trying to help town win here)

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298894#msg1298894
« Reply #1822 on: June 06, 2020, 03:11:30 am »
Rob don't address me. I caught you. You need to address the rest of the town to convince them just like you convinced Linkcat. But I put the evidence out there, so let's see how you do now. Honestly, you're a smooth talker so I give you pretty good odds at manipulating the afk townies you've left alive. But we'll see.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298895#msg1298895
« Reply #1823 on: June 06, 2020, 03:15:09 am »
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