Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[kaempfer13]

Ok, that was kinda an awfull idea, i barely made it to the graveyard and almost didnt return.
Back on topic: The fact that MW knows that kdz targeted ian, but specifically asks if targeting on ian was successfull just kinda weirds me out. Like why would he emphasize that when he evidently succesfully targeted either of them?

[killsdazombies]

I just love watching them squirm

town!kdz needed to push for geo, I was setting up a tie to avoid leading the votes. Then tomorrow they claim GN against ian & ask GA to cover them for their second check

As is we can't get a second check out of town!kdz. So here's hoping we confirm ian into an adrenalseraph

That was basically the plan. When MW said "DID ANYONE TARGET IAN" I thought he knew what role had been used by or on ian, so I parked my vote on ian, hoping it would persuade him. But after this came out and I actually READ dragonfly, I see that he only saw the target, not the ability, which was my bad. It's a misplay that'll probably cost my life, but thats what I get I guess.

Again I had 2 goals for today

1. Kill geo or ian
2. Not roleclaim

Geo was the preferred hit as ive already stated, but an ian kill early was fine. The real one was part 2, which has not gone according to plan. Then again, part one aint looking to good either, but at least they'll die eventually.

[shockcannon]

There are significantly more suspicious players voting on kdz than ian. Maybe they want that early vote to get cred if kdz flips mafia. Honestly, could be worth the sacrifice, losing 1 mafia to secure 3 down the road. Yet, I don't think people are going to all of sudden start suspecting MW and rob as the other mafia even if kdz flips mafia. So that plan feels bad. Seems like they're just saving ian, because if they save ian then kdz dies and another town dies tonight. That brings the count to 7 town and 4 mafia, which is then quite close to a win.

Also double capitals dies. If DC dies and is town then its 6 town and 4 mafia. If DC dies and is mafia, then mafia really doesn't want to risk lynching another of their own (kdz) just for an alibi. Because then we'd be down to 2 mafia, which is not ideal. It's pretty clearly ian here.

One thing, that concerns me is that Linkcat lists ian as one of the players that is almost guaranteed to be town.

Recap of the current state of the game and suggested Night actions:

serprex
moehrpi
rob77dp
Linkcat
Submachine

These 5 players are always town, don't lynch them even in late game unless something truly revelatory happens. Likely the next 5 Nightkills.

iancudorinmarian
andretimpa

These 2 players attempted to save me despite having a 100% free pass to see me lynched without suspicion. Very unlikely mafia, especially if Annele flips scum.

MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef
Ge0metry v1.2

These 3 players are 90% town, only consider them if sus people keep flipping town and you start running out of possible candidates, except Ge0 who can only be mafia if Annele flips town.

Annele
kaempfer13
shockcannon

These 3 players contain 1-2 mafia.

Calindu
killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals

The rest of the mafia are most likely hiding in here. If there's a deep wolf I'd say torb since he didn't actually have to commit to a vote.

I'm going to write that off though as an overlook because if Annele and andre and Linkcat are all town, then ian has no problem saving Linkcat to just lynch another town and build up credibility with Linkcat, who I'm assuming mafia was planning on keeping around and getting on his side to use as a shield while taking down more suspicious and less active town.

[shockcannon]

killsdazombies (7) - serprex, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Annele, Calindu, kaempfer13, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
iancudorinmarian (4) - Killsdazombies, MasterWalks, rob77dp, shockcannon



Proposed Town:
myself
kdz
MW
rob
kaempf
Annele
andre
serprex


Proposed Mafia:
ian
Calindu
Ge0

50/50:
submachine
DoubleCapitals

I'm willing to lean on DC being mafia. We'll know the next day anyways, which should clear submachine.

[serprex]

Ok, that was kinda an awfull idea, i barely made it to the graveyard and almost didnt return.
Back on topic: The fact that MW knows that kdz targeted ian, but specifically asks if targeting on ian was successfull just kinda weirds me out. Like why would he emphasize that when he evidently succesfully targeted either of them?

afaik: Dragonfly doesn't target, hence it works even tho ian shielded

[serprex]

Or more, it targets, but priority things

[killsdazombies]

Ian is claiming seraph, fly on the wall triggers before seraph

[killsdazombies]

I think fly on the wall triggers before like, pretty much everything actually. Aside from like warden yeah?

[kaempfer13]

fly on the wall triggers last and views roles in retrospect; time to ask oa about that priority clause though

[killsdazombies]

Oh no I'm just stupid. Man reading is hard. I was looking at ffq

[Calindu]

The way I see it, MW's ability failed and asked to see what protected ian from his ability.
If something like a FFQ failed to target ian, that means he was protected by Anubis.

[killsdazombies]

Mw has hard claimed dragonfly like, day 1 when mw thought he confirmed kae or shock or something. I was stating I was looking at ffq but they are actually dragonfly. Further, the dragonfly didnt fail because mw publically announced fucking twice that ian had been targeted. I dont think dragonfly bypasses seraph