Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[killsdazombies]

On Anubis - There might have been a time for it when it first came up, but its far too late for that. Further I haven't seen anyone claim to have gotten the buff from it? Is it that the immortality buff is being spread around the mafia, or is the person simply not using it?

Im going to take the night to look over voting patterns and reread some of the thread.

[serprex]

Continuing to use it on anyone but the NK target consecutively would confirm Calindu scum. Not happening

[serprex]

Alternative theory on why it happened D1 despite parity etc: Fate Egg

I welcome the game where 3+ people roll egg

[killsdazombies]

Ive Tinfoiled the idea of a third fate egg a few time, or maybe just two and shock/rob got anubis N1 and is scum. I would rather believe its an anubis doing it though, we aren't swimming in role information aside from a few confirmed ones.

[rob77dp]

What is the thread story / history on Cal / Anubis / Green Nymph / targeting / visiting / observed actions / claimed actions / denied actions? I thought that was part of the MasterWalks saga / posts but not finding it... Help?

[Submachine]

I want to wait on any info from sub/mw

I have no information of Calindu from tonight. I could try to hint at what my night action was (or lack thereof), but it would give away my role without sharing any info worth the benefit.

with how things played out I think mafia lack disruptive skills & anubis was on cooldown

This is the only real solution I can think of too.

Sub exists in a weird space. They are essentially afk from voting for the first two days, both times the town has an unfavorable day phase. I can't tell if its because sub is mafia, and doesnt want to add to the dogpile of a mistake and doesn't want to start a new train, or they are actually super busy. I know I'm critiquing sub for the same thing im doing, but I know I actually was busy though you all obviously can't know that. Further they then lead with an aggressive vote, one I encouraged to be fair, but after failing to place a vote or placing a vote and then leaving for 2 days in a row it feels out of character. Plus I obvious know I'm town and blah blah blah that whole shtick. But this comes after me reading sub as pretty towny for a while, so it all kinda cancels out a little?

"Further they then lead with an aggressive vote [...] it feels out of character"

The change is because all this time I have been in the dark about where to poke. If you look at my readlists, n- was at the bottom for the first two days, with only 2 inhabitants. Now I finally have people at w, so I am going after them. Nothing is final though, so I am trying my best to listen to everyone, in case I notice something that seems relevant.

But as you said, you speak of some double standards ("I know I'm critiquing sub for the same thing im doing"). But maybe you felt the same way about my activity as I feel about you now ("I know I actually was busy though you all obviously can't know that." Plus I was super stressed because of work too, so I played a lot of Minecraft and board games instead of focusing my attention here).

That makes a lot of sense kae, I was just trying to do something similar, but you not only beat me to it, but color coded it too lmao

This part also struck me with a "not-you" feeling. What kaempfer did seems like a monstrous amount of work, not something I would expect from kdz (no offense, you just seem more laid-back than that). And you showed no signs that you plan to do something similar until you got today's first vote. I almost smell some role-play in that sentence.

If you are wolf, you are probably defending yourself. But if you are Town, you are probably feeling OMGUS now and feel the need to retaliate.

Did anyone target iancu and if so, was it successfully targeted?

I didn't.

Mafia's expecting me to want to turn on shock. I've been playing too consistently. Time to detour

killsdazombies (1) - Submachine
Ge0metry v1.2 (1) - serprex

Good call about Geo. Kdz and Geo both had a low post count, but I remembered kdz playing. I forgot that Geo is even in the game.

IS THERE A CHANCE A TOWN ANUBIS ANOINTED YOU SERP? THINKING IT WOULD MAKE A CONF-TOWN INVINCIBLE? Forgetting of course the nk is not a secondary?

I don't see a reason why a Town Anubis wouldn't have already revealed himself.

[Submachine]

Going full conspiracy theory mode, I entertain the thought of kdz being town, which makes me worried.

Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies

Assuming kdz is town, we know - or suspect - that serprex and kaempfer are also town, and Torb already flipped town. This leaves Calindu and shockcannon, but their joint effort might have created an unkillable, confirmed town. It feels weird to me that mafia would be okay to follow such a plan, but following that train of thought would result in assuming that shock and Cal are also Town. But is that possible?

@rob, @serp, actually @everyone: Can it be possible that Linkcat was lynched by ONLY TOWN? I have a hard time to believe that.

It is possible that only one of shock/Cal is mafia. Or it is possible that town shock trusted mafia kaempfer so much, that he actually declared him to be innocent by a bluff. (It would not be far from shock to do such thing, he already did that once.) I put on this so-called tinfoil hat to say: And how convenient it is now that kaempfer is forever burrowed, because he can no longer be investigated again. If kaempfer would be mafia, shock would be suspect too, but even if it was a bluff, it is NAI from shock.

Even shock has lower activity during this game than previously. Heck, even rob has lower activity since Link died. This is why I told you to keep him alive longer! But I got derailed.

Someone also said it is also possible that mafia Cal created a second burrowed shrieker, because he expected to exchange one unkillable threat for another.



But if I drop the initial assumption, it is still a possibility that kdz is simply mafia.

[Submachine]

The list of possible Anubises is not very long.
If I count that Annele cannot be Anubis and if I believe rob's reports, then only the following people can be it:

1. iancudorinmarian
12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
15. killsdazombies
18. Ge0metry v1.2

@MasterWalks: If you have seen one of these people target someone, please help to narrow the list.

AFAIK, shock has not said anything about his N1 action, so it is possible that he got Anubis from Fate Egg.

[Ge0metry v1.2]

I can't think of any strategic use for my ability, how would I go about seeking help without revealing my ability?

[Ge0metry v1.2]

I actually think kdz is town, so I'll hold off on the self saving vote for the time being.

killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2

[Calindu]

If you were mafia, you would know you were killing Torb, so you would just be shifting your unkillable problem from one person to another, AND you would get a bunch of town cred for doing it.

But that makes no sense, how would I be sure that TorB is going to stay unburrowed? Sure, if TorB stays burrowed, then there is only going to be one unkillable person, but that person would have been all but mechanically confirmed at this point. Why would I go through all of this trouble of creating unkillable threats and then having to rely on 50/50's between NKing that person or confirming that person, only for some town cred?

I actually think kdz is town, so I'll hold off on the self saving vote for the time being.

killsdazombies (2) - Submachine, DoubleCapitals
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - serprex, rob77dp
Calindu (1) - Ge0metry v1.2

Here's the step where I have to defend against your accusations, the only problem is that I don't see any, just a baseless vote. Care to share how you decided to vote?

[rob77dp]

Ge0 - Looks pretty scummy to mostly-naked vote beginning of the day with no previous signs of being very engaged in the thread past days... On the player likely to be a heavy wagon\topic today. Yikes. A weird why-I'm-not-voting-kdz too. Would be very sus of w\w if either flips red of Ge0\kdz.

Doubling down on voting Ge0 right now. Wouldn't hate a kdz train either. Always game for Annele at this point having not arm anything from there to ease or impact my scum read on her.