Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[serprex]

ie figure out whether kdz voting Link was saving scum or not

[killsdazombies]

How about a last read list? I'm curious on your specific thoughts about some other folk.

[serprex]

Play with rob, sub, masterwalks. I posted my top 6 scumlist awhile back

[rob77dp]

kdz - it isn't about levity per se. It is about town being down and on the ropes or VERY nearly so at this stage, so I suppose I tend to project my own current sense of urgency about getting down to brass tacks ASAP that has me sus on that Night 2 "entrance". I have been criticized or noted before, and not unfairly I'd add either, about taking this whole mafia game stuff a bit seriously. I hate to lose. Like, I really hate to lose. Even when it's a game (playing is fun, so is winning). The window to win here is narrowing quickly so if you don't mind, leave the ATE out if you can for a bit and just help us find the wolves. I mean, if you are a wolf then getting inflated/poisoned tonight would certainly relieve you of any duty to have to parse the thread and play along, right!!?

 

kdz in the thread now having a real nice time despite town being wayyyy behind. Might just be a personality thing, but I think it is a bit inflated of him, eh? You get a phase maybe two to pick up your pace (top scum reads of yours after Link flip?) if you're town... do good work and lady green doesn't have to accelerate the demise.

I didn't think levity during a game was something worthy of suspicion, gallows humor not your cup of tea? Anyway, I'd really prefer if you didn't dance around this, just vote me out tomorrow if you want me dead. I'm at n- for effectively everyone for following serp and voting link over cali, so it's not like you'd get a lot of pushback. Hell, even if i was mafia they would probably be on board a lynch.

[serprex]

Inflate shock, not kdz

[rob77dp]

Oh yeah, was thinking about this earlier but I don't think I got around to posting it yet....

shock/kaempf claim events:

*Caveat: I view shock as a bit of a loose cannon, and as town he really is his own boss in truth (as scum he would act as his own boss but truth is he should be trying to coordinate at least some with teammates).

A. I cannot wrap my mind around a scum!shock + town!kaempf world. kae was dead-to-rights on Day 2 and scum are almost always game for a runaway train like kae's wagon was at one point with like (9) votes on it. I just struggle to see a world where scum!shock really decides it would be better to make that claim on a town!kae and divert onto a Link mislynch path.

*B. I have major doubts about the likelihood of it being w/w. With so many roles still out there and possible, the smart and calculated scum play should be to bus your teammate or stay away if they're both scum because now if one flips red the other gets MAJOR scrutiny. In this scenario, scum!shock was getting a fair amount of town credit at that point in the game so it seems to me w/w would have not waited THAT long to use this risky ploy.

C. Both remaining scenarios are town!shock. It would be VERY strange for a town!shock to make that move if he doesn't ACTUALLY have a green peek on kaempf. It is not a sustainable way to play going around faking peeks just because you think someone is probably town when they are on the chopping block like was the case late on Day 2.

*** shock, this is the point where you need to come clean if you're bluffing, I think. I should NOT waste a peek tonight on you if you're just futzing around trying to save a townread of yours. Scenarios A and B above are the ones that have me concerned because I don't think I'm willing to lose to a scum!shock as outlined in those two. Let's not blow this and have me peeking town you tonight. Care to discuss some as the end of night 2 nears??

[rob77dp]

Inflate shock, not kdz

Oh snap, that actually makes a lot of valuable sense serp. Inflate shock, peek kdz. A town!kdz right now is primed to become mislynch bait and a scum!kdz is rolling in coast-without-having-really-push-hard territory.

Put together a post to throw right at/near EOD if you can with last will and testament --- for the case where you die tonight (is there a way you don't? I mean, you are immaterial so really mafia could decide to wait a night if there are actions in play worse for them than you being in the thread.... ....... dunno). If you die then I live and will carry your torch.

[serprex]

It makes sense to NK me since I can't be a mislynch

But scum, think about it, I'm the scummiest town here. You need me

[kaempfer13]

Obv, I cant know for sure if shock is actually fate egg and he of all people would be the most likely to bluff about this kind of stuff; he did get my alignement right though and turned a day that seemed to result in a runaway train into sth thats probably useable for wagonomics at some point and saved me in the process. Obv it's hard for me to see him as scum regardless.

[rob77dp]

Maybe if we promise to infolynch you tomorrow you get to live.......

My memory is a bit fuzzy at the moment, are we in a position where it has been claimed by observing roles in the thread combined with some passive admissions/non-counter statements from others that Cal adrena'd TorB on N1 and himself on N0??

[Submachine]

Updated readlist:
(Link to previous readlist: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298004/#msg1298004)

Confirmed: serprex

v
(Soft-confirmed: kaempfer13)
MasterWalks
rob77dp

n+   
iancudorinmarian
shockcannon

n   
Annele
Ge0metry v1.2
TheonlyrealBeef (changed from v)

n-   
andretimpa
DoubleCapitals

w
Calindu (changed from n)
killsdazombies (changed from n)

The only changes since last time are that kaempfer became soft confirmed and the people who voted out Linkcat moved lower. (v --> n, n --> w) I do not remember anything other that was gamechanging.

[kaempfer13]

Cal claimed adrenaing nothing n0 (would have self if remembered) and torb n1