Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I'm willing to entertain the possibilities of Calindu and/or Linkcat mafia, but the only two ways I can be convinced that kaempfer13 is town is either by lynch, or by lynching Linkcat and having him flip mafia.

"Mechanical confirmed" with the people involved in Linkcat's theories reeks like a pile of crap and hoping for persuasion by complete intimidation, so there's a nice angle of attack if you need one. I am of the opinion that he should not have sufficient information to build such complicated theories N1.

My reads keep flipping because they strongly depend on whether Linkcat is mafia or not. The fact that he wants to keep targeting the least active suspect means we really don't get much information from those lynches at all. Even now, not joining the kaempfer13 lynch seems like an elaborate scheme to get me to join his lynch vote on another mislynch first.

I am paranoid, so I have tons of alternate theories. Seems only fitting for a game like this, no?

[rob77dp]

Kae, for my taste if you're a wolf you can stop trying to figure out calculated anti-spew and just lolcat. I'm not believing anything you say or don't say rest of the day if you flip red. Town!Kae should by all means keep working. Town we will see the light and lynch elsewhere or upon your death and possible green flip can begin reviewing what you put out knowing it was town POV\thoughts.

[Annele]

Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (9) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele

I'm about to go to sleep so I won't be any use at end of day.

[kaempfer13]

Oh anti-spew is the one thing I'm good at when it comes to scumming and this is not how i do it. But yh the solving, deadlines creeping up and while I dont mind getting lynched as this has been stressfull, I have to get my thoughts out before i die.

[rob77dp]

Dead thread dead town feeling about this right now... Or scum are already on scum!Kae wagon. If Kae is town I don't expect any scum to be further acting to vote on him.

I'd really like to get a situation with Annele wagon in range of Kae - we HAVE to have a flip today... but I want to be able to reasonably expect some activity so that wolves feel a need to engage and act, with the hopes we can deduce who is acting wolf (now and\or later).

[serprex]

If you wanted another wagon you should've joined the wagon on Linkcat

It's either kaempfer vs Linkcat, or we wait for the flip. As pointed out, very little info added since EOD1, even NK just confirmed confirmed town

[rob77dp]

Sub- are you going to make a solid meaningful vote today? Eod1 was disappointing from you last time... No personal offense intended.

You were willing to sheep\vote on Annele last day... How about now??

serp- I'm going to be upset if Annele is scum that I've tried to push for many days and I let off the gas now. Is Link a wagon that could happen today even? How many votes on Kae are just parked and the player is going to ghost this EOD?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef

Only one way to find out, if you want lynch vote activity that badly.

[kaempfer13]

So TorB, I've been criticizing your townplay harshly this game, but there is a way how I can be much nicer to you: You did great as scum!Anubis.
1. You went of on a tangent wrt whether oty should use its ability ever and simultaneously accomplished the following things:
  - It shaded rob
  - You completely distracted me and others and since people aren't very mechsavvy here actually even managed to give people the impression that I'm the one thats wrong
  - it seems people actually found you towny for writing that
2. You found a way to always make your scumreads coincide with having a reason to lynch the most lynchable person at the time ( see http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297317/#msg1297317 for details). You actually packaged the reasoning quite well, it's just how triumphant you made the conclusion that andre by association to rob should be lynched and didnt think to prioritize rob in this context that tipped me off. Good job at cheering town on lynching their own mates!
This is the big point in fact.
3. You disguised your role well as graboid, giving a perfectly logical conclusion how you are not targetable as Anubis without raising suspicion. Only flaw in that was how much you prioritized not getting targeted n1. This doesnt match your mindset from your towngame at all, where you were even glad when you finally died after a job well done, when there were better roles around (in this game those would be 2 conftown, 0 chance that you'd die and much lower chance to get targeted by a green nymph that doesnt have a way of knowing that youd be targetable unless mafia)
Another flaw in that is how we know serprex was targeted by Anubis while town!Anubis should have 0 reason to target conftown with no active ability (no way they get eaten by an oty, very well possible they get targeted by a heal; ofc this assumes competent town, which may be a stretch tbh). No, i dont buy you would have realized/cared that anubis outprioritizes heal. This way if moe got healed he would still be guarantedd dead next round and your Anubis ability would be free for use on a teammate. besides, you only realized that later on.
More importantly, mafia anubis should be going for the graboid disguise (see like ginyu here http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1291062/#msg1291062) as you did asap and thus not be able to use his ability on n1 unless adrenalined.

May find more dirt, but it's enough for now.

[kaempfer13]

So Linkcat:
Has been poking around who people were ready to lynch more so than try to find his own solutions until i called him out. Very noncomittal to townreads/not having any until he had people firmly on his side that he'd happily keep around (stark contrast to his much lower effort town game and very similiar to his scum game). Pushed many mechanical reasons that are not true, instrumentalising them for pushes/getting townread and while many of you struggle to understand that, I know that Linkcat knows these things better, as they were very relevant in past scum games for him. Active rolefishing for people (during night) on the (low) offchance they might get eaten by another overeager oty, while keeping roles close to your chest is optimal unless you have information or are in immediate threat of dying or have to explain things observed by another claim.

His wagon was very pure, which i and shock have the unique position to be able to be very confident on, while you guys need my flip for that. With conftown doing him in and other people easily able to hop on it would be incredibly risky for scum to try and fail to save him there, especially since I think some of them where completely incapable of doing so due to timing/roleclaim.

[serprex]

kae, please analyse MW's "sub targetted Linkcat targetted DC" claim

[rob77dp]

Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (8) - Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks, shockcannon, serprex, killsdazombies, Annele
Linkcat (1) - TheonlyrealBeef

Only one way to find out, if you want lynch vote activity that badly.

once I get in a computer shortly I'm down to do some wagonetics.