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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298006#msg1298006
« Reply #1068 on: May 28, 2020, 05:13:56 pm »
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I did not have the time to in-depth analyze the posts between the last post in my Wall Part 2 and today, so I will mostly rely on my memory for this.

1. iancudorinmarian: I used to have him at n- because of subtle, scummy things, but during EOD1, he came online and people told him to quickly place his vote, and he voted on serprex (one of the Deja Vu claims). This kind of joke/confusion would be bad for Mafia; they would not risk the negative attention this brings, or he would know better from his teammates. Now at n+.
2. TheonlyrealBeef: He is consistent with his mindset (he held true to his argument against N0 Otyugh throughout) and he also solves fairly often. He is one of the few people who read and react my walls, which is a plus. He leans v.
4. Annele: She made a few early comments that some people liked, but other than being logical, I found her arguments neutral. It looked like her wagon was the most vulnerable to an unorchestrated lynch, which implies she had no teammates to save her. Not enough to go on, so pure n.
5. kaempfer13: He seemed confused on multiple occasions; questioning what MW knows about him, rob's sudden vote switch during EOD1, and he also tried to solve. Looks like the usual townie confusion. He also suggested that shock might have him as confirmed town, but shock has yet to confirm it. He collected quite a number of bad attention to himself, but unless shock denies his credibility about the Fate GN thing, I give him the benefit of the doubt and put him in n+.
6. Calindu: Similar to Annele, except the almost dying part. Again, he had early comments that other people liked but I found neutral. Not enough to go on, and others also seem to only suspect him because of POE, so n.
7. Linkcat: He is the most active, attracts the most attention, and leads everyone to do what he thinks they should do. This is the opposite of what a mafia should do, but he is U N R E A D A B L E, so straight to n. He speaks confidently about knowing things, which is the opposite of the townie confusion that would be logical. Maybe he knows that not enough people would question him if he tried to pull this off as mafia. However, he is still a valuable asset in case he is Town, so keeping him alive longer is worth it.
10. serprex: If he was not Deja Vu, I would think he is n-, but he is Deja Vu.
11. MasterWalks: I would have said n- at first, because of some questions I had about him, but I get it now. The way he makes his plays, he's like a mirror of myself from my early days. Without revealing why, I think he leans v. I am very much looking forward to why he wanted my readlist so badly.
12. andretimpa: He was the leading train for the longest time during Day 1, yet barely anyone seemed to care to save him. Though I'm not sure if that's true, because a lot of O R C H E S T R A T I O N went down at EOD1, which eventually kept him alive. I only briefly saw he made a longer post today, but I did not have the time to process it yet, so n-.
13. rob77dp: He does the combination of planning, solving, and making mistakes/bad calls, all that scream town to me. His confusion about Linkcat during EOD1 seemed genuine, even if it was warranted. However, I am still cautious about him for past reasons. v for now.
14. shockcannon: I am one of the few people who care about what shock says, except when he tries to lynch one of the two people who I don't want to see lynched yet. He has his "bloc" with people who trust him, including Dejaprex. If I understood correctly, he makes plans for Town, but he also has the anti-town feat of seemingly knowing too much too early. His bravado explains the latter part, so he's n+ in my book.
15. killsdazombies: I dunno. n.
16. DoubleCapitals: Same as kdz, except he did the same thing once as scum!d2d did in the previous mafia: use an out-of-context snippet of a conversation and use it to attempt discrediting someone. Not too much to go on, but n-.
18. Ge0metry v1.2: His few posts don't stick out to me, other than relatively new to our current meta. Though as I remember, he joined by saying he played mafia before, but until I look at a past mafia where he played, he's n to me. (Fun fact: I wanted to target him before I looked at my role.)

And if I organize it, it looks as follows:

(Confirmed: serprex)

v
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  • MasterWalks
  • rob77dp
n+
  • iancudorinmarian
  • kaempfer13
  • shockcannon
n
  • Annele
  • Calindu
  • Linkcat
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  • Ge0metry v1.2
n-
  • andretimpa
  • DoubleCapitals
w

@MW: The ball is now in your court.

Iancu's serprex vote was a placeholder to extend.
Annele was not the most vulnerable, she was the least vulnerable until andre showed up.
Giving credibility to kaempfer just because of shock is a mistake.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298007#msg1298007
« Reply #1069 on: May 28, 2020, 05:17:28 pm »
So if kaempfer flips town, you vote shock. If kaempfer flips scum, you vote annele?

Why not start at shock?

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298008#msg1298008
« Reply #1070 on: May 28, 2020, 05:33:58 pm »
If kaempfer flips town I still lynch Annele tomorrow. Shock is the least likely mafia out of the 3.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298009#msg1298009
« Reply #1071 on: May 28, 2020, 05:40:08 pm »
@serprex

Honestly, at this point in time we might just have to hope Linkcat is town. If he's mafia we already lost because it's very clear that everyone else puts him at the top of their town reads. At this point it seems like everyone is just going to lynch kaempfer and then Annele the next day, or vice versa, regardless of what either of them flip. At that point you'll probably be NK'ed, and then I'll be NK'ed and then it's pretty much game over.


Our best bet at this point might be convincing everyone to vote someone like torb or Calindu, both who I'm not confident are mafia but at least are way more likely to be mafia than Annele or kaempfer.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298011#msg1298011
« Reply #1072 on: May 28, 2020, 05:49:16 pm »
Prefer going after Calindu over Torb. Torb being checked is more useful

If Torb's really Shrieker I'm willing to go all in on him being town. There's a world where Calindu is town green nymph & Torb is scum graboid, but I'm willing to lose in that world

It's possible scum!Calindu targetted not-torb Anubis N0, & torb N1

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298012#msg1298012
« Reply #1073 on: May 28, 2020, 05:52:21 pm »
@MW: The ball is now in your court.

Hate to be a debbie downer but the read i was interested in ended up being uninteresting. (thanks for taking it seriously tho)

I will not be hardclaiming yet. I WILL claim that i am NOT FFQ

I need another night phase before info dumping.

I would like to suggest some night actions, but after lynch.

Annele (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, Ge0metry v1.2, andretimpa, Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - serprex, shockcannon, Annele


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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298013#msg1298013
« Reply #1074 on: May 28, 2020, 05:56:25 pm »
MW just hard claim Dragonfly already

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298014#msg1298014
« Reply #1075 on: May 28, 2020, 05:56:58 pm »
@DC: I acknowledged your first comment (quoted below), but did not know what to do with it. I asked which parts I should focus on more, but I don't remember an answer from you. And I also gave a fair warning that, unless I get a better idea of how to analyze things, I will keep doing this method ("I only know full scan").

For your own sake and frankly ours too don't spend so much time on it xD. Summarise, tell us the most alarming things... 6 hours is kinda unhealthy for a children's card forum game
Before I compress my thougths, let me know which parts were more useful. Especially after this comment:

Sub's really grasping at like, a lot of things. Some of which I find largely insignificant and I feel he's swamping the conversation with

I told it ahead of time that it will be a wall of questions, rather than a wall of answers. Until then, I only know full scan.

But I realize it more and more that I will never reach up-to-date conversations if I keep going in this pace. I tried to avoid it, but I may have to start ISO-ing people one by one.

I really want to make an educated decision on kaempfer, so I will start with him. Shock has posted at least twice now, and I don't see him defending kaempf.

edit: And I guess rob wanted an EOD1 analysis too.

@MW: The ball is now in your court.
Hate to be a debbie downer but the read i was interested in ended up being uninteresting.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298015#msg1298015
« Reply #1076 on: May 28, 2020, 05:58:20 pm »
Prefer going after Calindu over Torb. Torb being checked is more useful

If Torb's really Shrieker I'm willing to go all in on him being town. There's a world where Calindu is town green nymph & Torb is scum graboid, but I'm willing to lose in that world

It's possible scum!Calindu targetted not-torb Anubis N0, & torb N1

Why would I adrenaline town!TorB as scum!Calindu then? It literally makes no sense and would be game losing.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298016#msg1298016
« Reply #1077 on: May 28, 2020, 06:03:19 pm »
MW just hard claim Dragonfly already

You know what, i think i will.

I hardclaim dragonfly.

I targetted kaempf N0. He was visited by shock. He did not visit anybody.

I targeted Link N1. He was targeted by sub. He targeted DC.


I am bad at this.
I wanted subs read on Link. I wanted to know if he is psion and found anything interesting.

If kaempf flips town, i would be willing to bet shock is town. However i truly believe kaempf is anubis..
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298017#msg1298017
« Reply #1078 on: May 28, 2020, 06:07:53 pm »
If kaempf is Anubis, that clears Calindu. I suggest town vote out kaempf if they're going after annele/kaempf/shock

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298018#msg1298018
« Reply #1079 on: May 28, 2020, 06:10:21 pm »
I'm not sure how you got the part that kae is mafia Anubis, to be honest, wouldn't you Anubis one of your mafia teammates or yourself on the spot in that case? Kae didn't target anyone according to your claims.
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