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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297850#msg1297850
« Reply #936 on: May 27, 2020, 07:35:15 pm »
serp - it was me.

If rob didnt roll GA or Anubis hes scum

Stop trying to read into these roles, we're just tossing the bants around right now

Rob targetted me with devour

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297851#msg1297851
« Reply #937 on: May 27, 2020, 07:36:29 pm »
serp - it was me.

If rob didnt roll GA or Anubis hes scum

Stop trying to read into these roles, we're just tossing the bants around right now

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297852#msg1297852
« Reply #938 on: May 27, 2020, 07:40:14 pm »
Besides, arent there like, a lot more positive or neutral roles to get from fate egg then murdery ones?

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297853#msg1297853
« Reply #939 on: May 27, 2020, 07:45:34 pm »
ah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable now
what what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.

Torb found a way to explain voting today if he's anubis while having no risk of being called out on it later; now we cant tell anymore wheter he's graboid or anubis
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297854#msg1297854
« Reply #940 on: May 27, 2020, 07:48:33 pm »
As for the tr on you, at first i actually thought you were regular oty and somehow afraid of dying early, which is only really a concern if you can die to the nightkill as you shouldn't have expected to die so soon as scum, unless you actually thought youd get checked n1
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297855#msg1297855
« Reply #941 on: May 27, 2020, 07:48:45 pm »
ah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable now
what what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.

Torb found a way to explain voting today if he's anubis while having no risk of being called out on it later; now we cant tell anymore wheter he's graboid or anubis

He's graboid 100%
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297856#msg1297856
« Reply #942 on: May 27, 2020, 07:49:07 pm »
Calin, if the mafia team is who I think it is then you actually played the best out of all of them, you just ended up in the bottom half of the POE due to mechanical reasons.

But you are wrong, that's the main problem, not sure what the mechanical reasons are, but please put them forward so I can debunk them.
Also, if me flipping town makes you change your whole view, then please just lynch me next so you actually have a winning chance.

By mechanical reasons I mean that there are so many players that got strong townreads from EoD that you're on the block purely through process of elimination. That's looking a few days into the future, so could change depending on flips and new information. If Anele is mafia you look worse, if not who knows.

You can lynch the confirmed any time you want. If I receive adrenaline the night I unburrow, it will be the only time I can be nightkilled. Since confirmed town is also most likely getting Guardian Angel protection this round (if there are any), it's much safer to NK them a night later while rendered immune.

Combine these two and I don't like my chances of survival if I commit to evolve. So nothing anyone says will change my plan.

A problem with that (Having torb unburrow) is you assume he evolved last night, if he hasn't evolved yet and he does so tonight he will still be burrowed, right?
Shriekers start unburrowed on evolve afaik.

Mafia has 5 confirmed town to Nightkill, they're not going to waste one on you, especially since you might be the last ML they need as a deep wolf.

I think there's a high likelihood that myself or Ge0 dies tonight. I'm going to post my top mafia reads. I suspect if I die mafia will manipulate that to throw shade onto others, so ignore that.


Most likely mafia in my opinion (from most likely to least likely)

1.) rob - otyugh kill N1 has much more reward coming from a mafia than a town, especially when mafia has the option to cast it off as an "optimal town move" and especially when they can use fate egg as an excuse. We don't even know if rob is fate egg. Additionally, we have a lot of questionable vote changes and reads from him. Let's be honest here, this guy had a complete panic meltdown getting votes off Linkcat and trying to swap between Annele and andre. Nothing he's done so far has said town to me. If this guy is mafia otyugh and gets away with just devouring N0 on the most inactive player, we're going to regret never lynching him. Let's not regret it.

2.) Linkcat - Linkcat was the first one to vote on rob, andretimpa, and Annele and has started conversations to get all of them lynched. There have been many deflections by him to other players when people get suspicious of players like rob. I honestly think he started voting rob early to avoid suspicion later and then switched to players like andre and Annele who are less active and easy to prey upon. Linkcat also is certain that there is 1-2 mafia among myself, kaempfer, and Annele when I think that there are 0 mafia here. Also town reads players like sub, rob, etc. who are far from confirmed.Additionally, he starts suspecting players like Calindu and kdz as very likely mafia. Before this point, I was the only one calling them out as very likely mafia. Is this a setup so that when I get Night Killed and flip town, Linkcat has a very easy pathway to pushing these players while looking town himself? Especially if I'm wrong and Calindu/kdz are town, this looks like a great set up for mafia victory.

3.) TheonlyrealBeef - the no vote obvious graboid thing just looks like a great reason to stay out of the spotlight. Also started a ridiculous back and forth with kaempfer, that really only served to distract everyone else and get kaempf to mess up somewhere along the line. Contributions to town have been little to nothing. Had a very interesting take on rob's N0 devour.

4.) KDZ - Hard to read, and feigns low activity/inexperience. Could be accurate, could also be a mafia setting themselves up to go the distance before gaining any attention. Can't say, but if Coffeeditto was really the best devour target N0, then this is likely one of our best lynch targets as well for the same reasoning.

5.) Calindu - Makes one post, disappears. Votes on andre early on, disappears. Responds to specific question aimed at Calindu, disappears. Very easily an under the radar mafia. My stance is moving towards town though after the latest interaction between Calindu and Linkcat. Not going to rule out both being mafia though.
Calin, if the mafia team is who I think it is then you actually played the best out of all of them, you just ended up in the bottom half of the POE due to mechanical reasons.

But you are wrong, that's the main problem, not sure what the mechanical reasons are, but please put them forward so I can debunk them.
Also, if me flipping town makes you change your whole view, then please just lynch me next so you actually have a winning chance.

6.) MW - He's said a lot of things that just don't make sense. I don't want to underestimate his ability to be so confused, but something here is off. I also don't like his voting patterns. The only thing that says town to me is that he voted on Linkcat and stayed on Linkcat for so long before then switching off to andre. I have a hard time seeing that action occur if he's mafia, but again, I have no idea what's going on with this noob.

7.) Double Capitals - mostly memes. Is neutral read on most players. What more could you want as a mafia? However, DC's two mafia scenarios makes a lot of sense to me, and was the line of thought I've had this entire time. In fact, I'm almost too worried about how much our thoughts align. DC also made a previous comment on how crazy it would be for both rob and Linkcat to be mafia. But then we see them both as mafia in DC's 2nd most likely scenario. Where did this sudden revelation come from?

God I wanted to stop reading this after the first sentence so freaking badly, but I pressed on through sheer force of will. Shock, if you want to be useful, imagine a world where I'm town and then give me your reads.

Mafia went with the safest possible Nightkill. To me this means that they think they'll lose if they miss a single Nightkill.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297858#msg1297858
« Reply #943 on: May 27, 2020, 07:52:08 pm »
Then I saw a lot of things that I found absurd to do as scum, so it held up even after that was off the table. Now your reaction test at first made me think "Wait he isnt even trying to properly explain his vote; thats a scumonly thing to do, right?", but looking back its yet another thing thats totally absurd to do as scum in the situation.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297860#msg1297860
« Reply #944 on: May 27, 2020, 07:52:38 pm »
ah crap he found a way to explain how he is not targetable as anubis in the future without anyone checking this round whether he really is targetable now
what what? Phone following sod2 and am confused...? Kae why you hard buddy town-read me so fast this game? I had plenty of shade from others... You managed to God-mode read my alignment right when at large it seemed difficult for most to get there that quick.

Torb found a way to explain voting today if he's anubis while having no risk of being called out on it later; now we cant tell anymore wheter he's graboid or anubis
but does that have much to do with his alignment? Why do you care THAT much about his role? At this stage in more into finding alignments, are you? 0.o
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297861#msg1297861
« Reply #945 on: May 27, 2020, 07:53:14 pm »
I already saw it coming.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297862#msg1297862
« Reply #946 on: May 27, 2020, 07:53:50 pm »
serp is not lynchvoting rob yet, so I wouldn't take his statement seriously yet, either. Just stop asking about it is the point.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297863#msg1297863
« Reply #947 on: May 27, 2020, 07:54:33 pm »
Requesting full reads from the following people.

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