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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297740#msg1297740
« Reply #840 on: May 27, 2020, 01:58:58 am »
Recap of the current state of the game and suggested Night actions:

serprex
moehrpi
rob77dp
Linkcat
Submachine

These 5 players are always town, don't lynch them even in late game unless something truly revelatory happens. Likely the next 5 Nightkills.

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andretimpa

These 2 players attempted to save me despite having a 100% free pass to see me lynched without suspicion. Very unlikely mafia, especially if Annele flips scum.

MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef
Ge0metry v1.2

These 3 players are 90% town, only consider them if sus people keep flipping town and you start running out of possible candidates, except Ge0 who can only be mafia if Annele flips town.

Annele
kaempfer13
shockcannon

These 3 players contain 1-2 mafia.

Calindu
killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals

The rest of the mafia are most likely hiding in here. If there's a deep wolf I'd say torb since he didn't actually have to commit to a vote.



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Otyugh - Target Annele. Yes Annele I'm serious, if you happen to be town Otyugh please eat shock or kaempfer.
Other Offensive Roles - Target Annele/shock/kaempfer
Golden Nymph - Target kdz/DC
Psion - Serp/moe worth a check, game is pretty much solved already so we won't miss the ability use.
Guardian Angle - Target me
Dragonfly/Firefly Queen - Also target me
Iridium Warden - Target one of the 5 confirmed town
Anubis/Amber Nymph - Target rob
Green Nymph - target Torb
Crusader - Target one of the 6 likely mafia
Vulture - Target w3
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297741#msg1297741
« Reply #841 on: May 27, 2020, 02:18:56 am »
Devour kaempfer, not shock

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297742#msg1297742
« Reply #842 on: May 27, 2020, 02:36:16 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297743#msg1297743
« Reply #843 on: May 27, 2020, 03:22:11 am »
It feels right to sus a player who does the RQS but has done nothing else this game except things I find scummy... Annele, who do you want to push tomorrow? Maybe you've read the whole thread, maybe not... maybe you can discuss in wolf-chat the answer if you're not caught up? But, who is a suspect you want to push tomorrow??
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297744#msg1297744
« Reply #844 on: May 27, 2020, 03:26:56 am »
Hot take to me (I think others have been at this point for a while already...) at least: Ge0 would probably be a bit more organized coming in on that post-EOD post he made, starting to think he is just in-it-deep town trying as he can to keep up.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297745#msg1297745
« Reply #845 on: May 27, 2020, 03:34:37 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297748#msg1297748
« Reply #846 on: May 27, 2020, 03:54:05 am »
Rob, do you agree with my assessment?
Was getting to that, but to expedite - in a word, yes. There are parts that are incongruous with where my reads were last I actual took breaths and read the player list. But again that isn't uncommon to have new things coming to light or new activity leading to doubting a prior supposition.

I _had_ been reading kae as town, but as I'm getting to shortly he's trending down quickly. Closer to where you have him.

timpa I scum-read for quite a while but the EOD1 just doesn't look to fit scum!timpa -- both how he played it and how his wagon worked/didn't work.

Your lower 3 groups of 3, are off fro how I see things but now so far off. That is, I'm still uncertain about Ge0 but getting there, his low activity but general OK sense in some of what he has posted (that is, how it fits a lost town narrative) are there. I think it is most likely something like 3/4 of the mafia are in your last 6... the game is just _never_ that easy in my experience. If it is just 1 in the Annele/kae/shock group your'e saying it is ALL of the last trio of Cal/kills/DC?? I think the POE of six is really solid though there.

That's my cuff take on it.


Recap of the current state of the game and suggested Night actions:

serprex
moehrpi
rob77dp
Linkcat
Submachine

These 5 players are always town, don't lynch them even in late game unless something truly revelatory happens. Likely the next 5 Nightkills.

iancudorinmarian
andretimpa

These 2 players attempted to save me despite having a 100% free pass to see me lynched without suspicion. Very unlikely mafia, especially if Annele flips scum.

MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef
Ge0metry v1.2

These 3 players are 90% town, only consider them if sus people keep flipping town and you start running out of possible candidates, except Ge0 who can only be mafia if Annele flips town.

Annele
kaempfer13
shockcannon

These 3 players contain 1-2 mafia.

Calindu
killsdazombies
DoubleCapitals

The rest of the mafia are most likely hiding in here. If there's a deep wolf I'd say torb since he didn't actually have to commit to a vote.



Night actions:

Otyugh - Target Annele. Yes Annele I'm serious, if you happen to be town Otyugh please eat shock or kaempfer.
Other Offensive Roles - Target Annele/shock/kaempfer
Golden Nymph - Target kdz/DC
Psion - Serp/moe worth a check, game is pretty much solved already so we won't miss the ability use.
Guardian Angle - Target me
Dragonfly/Firefly Queen - Also target me
Iridium Warden - Target one of the 5 confirmed town
Anubis/Amber Nymph - Target rob
Green Nymph - target Torb
Crusader - Target one of the 6 likely mafia
Vulture - Target w3
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297749#msg1297749
« Reply #847 on: May 27, 2020, 04:00:22 am »
EBWOP-
SOrry, meant to SPOILER you reads list on my post... yurgh.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297750#msg1297750
« Reply #848 on: May 27, 2020, 04:03:48 am »
@kaempfer13
I'd like to read a post on thoughts about andretimpa/Linkcat alignment as well as Annele/shockcannon. Trying to be chummy with me was a major red flag, but if you can post my thoughts before I type them out, I might be more inclined to put you as town.

Torb for the love of god why did you have to roll Graboid
I get to dig up dirt all day long, it's really not so bad here.

timpa self pressing onto Linkcat, but then taking the time to pick Annele over Linkcat when he roughly caught up with the actual votecount probably means that he isnt aligned with either of them and he probably could have just lynched Linkcat and be done with it as scum, so I maintain my townlean.
I still have my doubts wrt to Linkcat; I have decentish townreads of everyone on his train (except Annele not sure about her, but she wasnt around for EoD frenzy and i dont really scumread her either), so I actually still think its possible that he's scum and his team couldnt risk saving him without potentially outing themselves as the votes were somewhat volatile and if Linkcat had been lynched as scum everyone voting for counterwagons at EoD would be watched more closely.

I'll have another look at Annele/shockcannon, but so far I'm feeling pretty neutral towards Annele and townlean shockcannon for different reasons now.
Something doesn't make sense in a cognitive sense on this from kae.

What I mean is, he is townreading timpa and thinks he isn't aligned with either of Link / Annele --- so he scum-reads both Link Annele right? Keep reading and alright yeah a scum-read on likely-town-Link but then goes into weird convoluted detail about Annele as a townread in a group yet singled out as not sure on her but then about her EOD absence then yeah not scumreading her?? Following paragraph is about looking into Annele/shock yet he is now neurtral on Annele and town on shock... what are you looking into? What are these different reasons? How are you getting to that while also getting to or not the lynchlog (Votecount analysis?)... ? Is it getting hard to WIM-it-up in the scum-chat? :-/ You had me quite fooled if your a wolf Kae, which is seeming more and more likely.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297751#msg1297751
« Reply #849 on: May 27, 2020, 04:06:09 am »
Let me be more clear -- I'm reading that post from Kae as w/w if one of he/Annele flips red.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297752#msg1297752
« Reply #850 on: May 27, 2020, 04:07:53 am »
Link / Serp-

Tell me more about the DC scum reads? I've seen him play a few times, and he self-deprecates a lot more than is valid - he is better than he pretends to think he is. WHat do you see on him to both have him hard-ish scum (what did I miss or skim over)?
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297753#msg1297753
« Reply #851 on: May 27, 2020, 04:13:38 am »
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