Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[PlayerOa]

Host note

We can probably all agree on the fact that possible extensions of the day exists is not due to delaying for the sake of delaying. Even after giving an extra hour to play with, there were no signs of players coming close to a consensus, and the day ended up being hardcapped at a certain time anyway. The only difference was that the deadline was pushed 1 hour (or in this case, 3 hours).

This is why, starting from the next day phase, the following rules come into play:

• Deadline will, just like in Mafia 72, be hardcapped at exactly 30 minutes after day's end if voting still is ongoing, i.e. there has been less than 5 minutes since last vote
• A fixed voting tally without the poster casting a vote IS NOT counted as a vote, and the timer will run from the last actual vote. No exceptions
• A bump of the voting tally without the poster casting a vote IS NOT counted as a vote, and the timer will run from the last actual vote. No exceptions

Is this clear enough? Please abide by these new rules, to make the game as pleasant as possible for everybody.

[iancudorinmarian]

"A player casting back-to-back votes with the only intention of extending the timer, WILL NOT reset the timer"

The issue with this is it's a bit vague. Maybe just make it so back-to-back votes by the same player just won't count. You won't be going into disputes like "but I really wanted to change my vote, I wasn't time wasting"

[iancudorinmarian]

EBWOP: just won't count for extension purposes*

[kaempfer13]

Ok, I've muled it over and come to the conclusion that the only way scum!rob would make that weird and poorly justified reaction test is if he were scum with andre. In that case he suddenly abandoned a hard bus that he felt the need to keep up for the entirety of Day 1. In other words: Welcome back to my townreads, rob!

[shockcannon]

There’s definitely a chance that Linkcat is town, but as hard as it may be to believe, I actually think that 0 mafia voted on Linkcat yesterday even if Linkcat is town.


Additionally, if Linkcat is town, that means to me that almost for certain Annele and Andretimpa are also town. Because why would Mafia let one of their own die when it was so easy to just vote Link. The only one to switch to Link at a later time was moe, who everyone considers town. Even when Annele or Andre we’re about to take the lead we didn’t see anyone switch over to Linkcat to save Annele or andre. The only scenario in my mind where Linkcat can be town and Annele be a mafia, is if Annele, kaempf, and myself are all mafia as well, and we ran out of mafia buddies to help save our teammate.

 As for Andre, this guy was about to die before the day extension, after the day extension, and during the final moments of voting. Yet, we really didn’t any vote shifting to save him that we would expect to see. The only i even switched off Andre to vote for Linkcat was because serprex finally switched. And everyone regards him as confirmed town. So the idea that anyone voting for Linkcat is a mafia buddy with Andre would mean that they really didn’t care to make a move before the last possible second, and that they were willing to rely on a very stubborn confirmed town to be their only chance at saving Andre, which sounds like a terrible plan to me.


To summarize: is Linkcat mafia? I think so, but if Linkcat is NOT mafia, then that to me confirms Annele and Andre as town as well.

WHICH IS WHY WE HAD SO MUCH TO GAIN BY LYNCHING LINKCAT!!!!! And for Rob who always complains about reasoning for lunching, my main reason for voting Linkcat is that I THINK HE’S MAFIA AS IVE SHOWN IN MULTIPLE POSTS. I also think you’re mafia as I’ve also stated multiple times which is why I don’t give crap about anything you say to me. Unlike other town, I’m not about to lose this game to poorly crafted distractions and deflections.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

"A player casting back-to-back votes with the only intention of extending the timer, WILL NOT reset the timer"

The issue with this is it's a bit vague. Maybe just make it so back-to-back votes by the same player just won't count. You won't be going into disputes like "but I really wanted to change my vote, I wasn't time wasting"

It originally had something like organizer's discretion in it.

Going into specific counter-rulings like these seems like something you can circumvent. Back-to-back votes would cause the first to reset the timer, but by the time the second is cast the first one is rendered invalid in terms of resetting the timer. What is the minimal allowed time gap for them to be back-to-back votes? These kinds of issues.
If you want to counteract it, you'll just have to be a strict mod about it and use the discretion clause. People will always try to find loopholes.

[PlayerOa]

Fair point, iancu and TorB. With a 30 minute hard limit in play, I can loosen up to simply remove the following rule:

"A player casting back-to-back votes with the only intention of extending the timer, WILL NOT reset the timer"

The previous post will be updated accordingly.

[kaempfer13]

By all means Linkcat should have been dead; the last legal vote according to official rules was putting him in a 7 wagon size lead and before that plenty of juggling happened without changing him being in the lead. That way we would know where we're at now.

[serprex]

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This doesnt seem to be the case however.

Correct, not the case

I'm playing with shock because he's my towniest read which'll play with me

ofc, even moe isn't playing with me, so maybe I have it all wrong & the team is shock,annele,kdz,cal

But you're telling me mafia controlled 6-7 votes & we could only get no lynch?

If shock's scum I accept loss

[kaempfer13]

But you're telling me mafia controlled 6-7 votes & we could only get no lynch?

If shock's scum I accept loss

Never suggested anything of the sort; I have a strong townlean on shock which you can see consistently through all my posts concerning him, although i suppose I never bothered mentioning my reasons for it

[serprex]

That said, shock trying to change his vote for no lynch, kinda scummy, but also I believe town!shock doesn't read either wagon as scum

Which gives us shock's Linkcat bait which encourages Cal to continue grasping for a bloc that sympathizes with a readlist holding Linkcat as scummy

[Calindu]

Which gives us shock's Linkcat bait which encourages Cal to continue grasping for a bloc that sympathizes with a readlist holding Linkcat as scummy

You kind of lost me here, don't understand what you really mean, care to explain?