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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297678#msg1297678
« Reply #792 on: May 26, 2020, 04:29:51 am »
I love my capstone meetings so I promise I'll give EoD comments if/when they come out. If I have any ability of meaning I dumped it on a placeholder for now and if I don't the thought of dumping it on a placeholder has been thought of.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297679#msg1297679
« Reply #793 on: May 26, 2020, 05:42:59 am »
END OF DAY 1 TL;DR FROM PAGES 43-65

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297398/#msg1297398

I'm going to choose this as my starting point for my EOD summary because it's the spark that lit the fire for, oh let's see, 256 posts over the course of the next 2 hours and 7 minutes.

rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu, shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2

After taking heat all day, the rob wagon never picks up steam again after this, leaving andre as the only wagon at this point. Shock's vote is apparently to get reactions, which definitely works.
Me and rob argue about who's leading the andre lynch.
Sub says he doesn't want to lynch me or rob yet but doesn't vote andre because he's not sure about Graboid.
Rob gives first signal that he's starting to townread me for wanting more vote action.
Rob switches to Annele to try to get more such action, but still scumreads andre.
Torb says he would vote andre because it's not stable yet, and oh look there goes rob.
I call rob out for backing off his bus.
Serp, confirmed town and the only vote on rob, asks to lynch rob.
Shock switches to Annele putting her in the lead.
MW says he doesn't trust me and isn't intimidated by me, both of which hurt my feelings.
We make fun of Sub and he has a crackpot theory.
MW votes shock going off an old vote count, which isn't helpful either way.
Kaempfer is confused for about rob's statement when he switched, which he still hasn't explained.
Serp asks kaempfer if he still won't vote rob.
Rob tries to get traction on Annele and defends his push.
Kaempfer is still confused, so are me and torb.
Torb states Annele is still a town lean.
I state that Annele is a town lean.
I yell at rob.
Serp gets on rob's case again.
Coffee finally logs in to the forum.
I tell everyone that's not on rob or andre to move their votes.
Kaempfer is still confused and considers voting rob.
Serp tempts him to the dark side again.
Sub comments that people don't like rob's switch, but nobody's voting him except serp.
Moe says he's fine with andre or Annele.
Rob says his experiment is over and switches back to andre.
Rob asks for vote tally after it was just reposted for the second time.
Shock asks serp and kaempfer to make a voting bloc with him and lynch me, rob, or MW.
Rob asks shock why he's voting Annele. The reason is because shock.
I post the tally third time for rob.
Shock switches back to andre.
Votes are the same as the starting point except MW's useless vote is on shock instead of kaempfer.
Moe votes andre putting him to 5 votes.

EoD happens 20 seconds after this, we start with a 4 minute and 40 second extension.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297480/#msg1297480

Ge0 says he was busy but is fine with andre, Annele, kaempfer, or rob lynch and doesn't post again for the day, though he was looking at the thread near the end.
Kaempf says to shock he is not okay with MW lynch and not sure about rob, but me and rob aren't w/w.
Rob tries to understand shock. The poor soul.
I shade rob again for switching back.
Oa states hard deadline 1 hour after EoD.
Rob says he wouldn't bus this way.
MW votes on me. Says not ok with andre lynch and wants to infolynch me.
I taunt some more about how unlynchable I am by self-voting. Rob says he won't townread a bus because of this. Serp takes the bait and shock now has his voting bloc so he jumps on too, putting me ahead of andre 5-4 with Ge0 still on Annele. This pleases me. I expect the votes to fall off. They do not. This does not please me.
Sub comes to my rescue and ties it up. This is where the stalemate starts that last through the full hour.
I say that I only scumread MW out of my wagon.
Shock pretends that he's orchestrating things.
Serp again states that rob is mafia, and also that I am an ass, which I confirm.

10 minutes have passed since EoD.

andretimpa (5) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, moehrpi, Submachine
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon
Annele (1) - Ge0metry

Sub again states me and rob aren't getting lynched, which is correct.
Kaempfer doesn't have time to process things because of deadline. Neither does anyone else, really.
Rob asks to CFD onto Annele so we can get a lynch through.
I'm still waiting for Ge0 but he doesn't show up.
Me and rob both townread Sub.
Rob votes Annele.
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.
I ask iancu to vote.
Serp says I should be claiming to have Frozen iancu, I claim no ability use.
Kaempfer wants to infolynch me. Big red flag.
Shock restates the need for his voting bloc.
I switch to Annele, partially to reset timer, partially to see if we can get enough traction.
MW says rob isn't honest about berating kaempfer for infolynch.
Serp says please to moe, not sure if he wants him to vote me, annele, or something else.
I ask Calin to switch to Annele as he hasn't been posting.

20 minutes have passed since EoD.

Rob progresses his townread on me.
Serp asks moe to vote rob with him.
Shock says kaempfer is confirmed based on N0 actions, which is almost definitely not true.
Rob calls out MW for apparently forgetting moe is confirmed.
Moe says he'd kill me over rob.
Serp says rob is trying to buddy me for towncred after I flip.
Serp tells moe to vote me.
Iancu enters thread, is very confused and puts down a placeholder vote.
Serp mocks me with scripture, yet I threw myself down and still live.
I ask iancu to lynch andre.
I switch back to andre to extend timer.
Rob again asks support for Annele.
Iancu decides to trust rob and votes Annele.

30 minutes have passed since EoD.

Me and rob both tell iancu serp won't like him sheeping rob.
Serp asks people to at least vote on wagons with confirmed town.
Shock says scumreading Annele is dumb.
Rob asks serp what his townread on Annele is, serp says he just prefers andre and that town should stop trolling me and switch to andre, but doesn't take his own advice.
Rob switches back to andre. Votes are back at the previous tally now with iancu joining Ge0 on Annele.
Iancu trolls us with his correction tally, but Oa is a merciful god and lets us keep playing.
Sub isn't caught up but is open to Annele lynch.
Serp taunts me again but I'm still not dead.
Rob comments again on how much harder it is to lynch Annele than me or andre.

40 minutes have passed since EoD.

Iancu trusts rob less because of vote-switching.
Mw asks why he should vote andre over me.
Rob tells MW again not to infolynch and to vote his top scumread of the wagons.
I explain the vote switching to iancu.
Serp says the only people that should switch are the ones on Annele to andre.
Kaempfer is overwhelmed, I tell him to just vote on andre so he can sleep.
Shock says the only way rob saves me is to die instead.
I support serp's suggestion.
MW says me or andre could be mafia so stays on me, no read on Annele.
Iancu switches to andre, finally putting him ahead.
Serp asks rob to admit he only lived because kae wouldn't put the bloc on him.
Shock says the mafia revealed themselves.
Moe switches to me, not sure if genuine read or really wanted the day to end to iancu's correction.
Kaempfer gives ATE for not lynching Annele.
Rob solidifies his townread on me.
Andre shows up at the worst possible time and puts me two votes ahead.
A meme is born.

50 minutes have passed since EoD.

andretimpa (5) - Calindu, Submachine, Linkcat, rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (7) - Annele, kaempfer13, MasterWalks, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi, andretimpa
Annele (1) - Ge0metry

Torb says to lynch andre over me because I'm more valuable but still can't vote.
I post last second reads because this is the first point at which I thought there was an actual chance of me dying.
MW agrees with Torb and switches to me, tying it up again.
Andre responds to Torb saying he would lynch annele over me.
I switch to Annele because it's the only way we're avoiding lynching me or No Lynch.
Shock says the core votes on me aren't changing except to rob, I townread rob at this point and am not sure it's feasible so I'm all in on Annele.
Rob clarifies that he votes Annele but nobody notices.
I do quick maths to see who we need to lynch annele, iancu is one of them and he switches.
Serp says he'd vote rob but there's less than 3 minutes left.
Andre switches to Annele.
Sub shows up again and bestows upon rob the responsibility to prevent my lynch and says he's going to bed.
Rob restates his Annele vote but accidentally says andre instead.
I'm having trouble processing how absurd sub's post is.
Rob corrects himself.

1 hour has passed since EoD, Day ends for real after iancu trolled us agin with the correction.

I express my feelings for Sub. 2 seconds
Rob restates vote. 5 seconds
MW corrects with a wrong tally because he had been put on DC for some reason. 11 seconds
Shock removes his vote with the wrong tally. 40 seconds
Chat discussion is happening at and before this time.
Sub votes Annele TWO MINUTES AND THREE SECONDS AFTER DEADLINE and I am upset but have the correct count, which ends in a tie.
Iancu manages to make a twitch emote funny.
Oa, Sub, and Torb finally get to sleep, and their dreams are filled of rainbows and butterflies and attempted murder.

andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297680#msg1297680
« Reply #794 on: May 26, 2020, 05:54:14 am »
List of people that voted andre with intent to kill.

Linkcat
rob
MW
Sub
iancu
moe


Me

shock
serp
MW
kaempfer
moe
self-pres from andre which doesn't count


Annele

Linkcat
rob
andre
iancu
Sub

People who stated intent to kill rob at EoD
serp
shock

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297681#msg1297681
« Reply #795 on: May 26, 2020, 06:33:12 am »
"moe: please" was asking moe to vote for anyone, felt thread needed help building consensus

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297682#msg1297682
« Reply #796 on: May 26, 2020, 06:35:23 am »
Also would help clarify for me whether we'd be leading competing wagons or if he'd offer me a compelling reason to step off the shockmobile

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297683#msg1297683
« Reply #797 on: May 26, 2020, 07:08:25 am »
What just happened? I don't remember EOD's ever being this crazy.

Spoiler for Outside of the game:
Big thank you to Link for making a summary post. Also thank you to Oa for staying up.

I was able to fit a couple posts in during a break at work where I briefly gave thoughts on the situation after being asked by Link and Rob. Tally at the time was:

rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Calindu, rob77dp, shockcannon, moehrpi
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (1) - Ge0metry
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks

I honestly thought the day was about to end with andre lynch and didn't bother to switch my vote. In hindsight probably a misplay, if I had switched Link should not have been almost lynched. I haven't had time to fully process things, not sure if anyone has, but I have Link, rob, and andre all trending upwards after that EOD. I really thought that at the least, confirmed town was going to switch off voting Link last minute. Very surprised when they did not, has me feeling somewhat confused and worried that my read on Link might be wrong? Don't put too much weight on what I just said there, I still very much think Link is town. Just with two confirmed town voting for Link lynch, and many people previously stating that Link is one of the hardest to read (and it being something he seemingly takes pride in possibly), I have an ever so small sliver of doubt.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297684#msg1297684
« Reply #798 on: May 26, 2020, 07:22:29 am »
@kaempfer13
I'd like to read a post on thoughts about andretimpa/Linkcat alignment as well as Annele/shockcannon. Trying to be chummy with me was a major red flag, but if you can post my thoughts before I type them out, I might be more inclined to put you as town.

Torb for the love of god why did you have to roll Graboid
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297685#msg1297685
« Reply #799 on: May 26, 2020, 07:32:11 am »
If
Quote
Torb states Annele is still a town lean.
I state that Annele is a town lean.
I yell at rob.
then why
Rob votes Annele.
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.
Quote
Rob votes Annele.
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.
I ask iancu to vote.
Serp says I should be claiming to have Frozen iancu, I claim no ability use.
Kaempfer wants to infolynch me. Big red flag.
Shock restates the need for his voting bloc.
I switch to Annele, partially to reset timer, partially to see if we can get enough traction.
IIrc if the trains were you vs andre at the point in time, but you followed rob despite you townreading her? Why not try to kick your own train? When did your opinion flip some time between these 2 halves?

That said also ATE = Appeal To Emotion, CFD = Chinese Fire Drill, a last minute vote on someone who had little/none
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297686#msg1297686
« Reply #800 on: May 26, 2020, 07:47:51 am »
'Kay, tbh, when I retracted my andre vote, should I have planted a placeholder vote or nah. I know I'm so vehemently against NL (See Mafia 70, man this pains me because this exact post sunk my own game

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Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian

Damn you Linkcat.

I'm not giving mafia a free :time Walk.

And the thing is, I didn't want my damn placeholder vote to be a subject of a mafia blitz... I'm rereading the post between rob and Link re: EOD and I'm getting a Δ+ opinion of both of them but im still honestly perplexed as to how Link went from townread Annele to jumping on rob's Annele vote. Even if it was to cover his butt (and based on my guess of his rough 'kind' of secondary role) I would have believed he'd do one of his more scummier reads at the time.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297687#msg1297687
« Reply #801 on: May 26, 2020, 07:52:56 am »
And fuck it, I can't resist just throwing 1....

Spoiler for Pure shitpost, but I know you'll still try to read this:
Clues: rob & link are indeed unlynchable

Who saved them? Mafia outed themselves this game: rob, link, kdz, oa

Oa didn't even tell us who is mafia I think we should lynch him amirite

Torb for the love of god why did you have to roll Graboid
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Honestly you and either shock or serp should have switched secondaries, smh.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297688#msg1297688
« Reply #802 on: May 26, 2020, 08:11:32 am »
If
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Torb states Annele is still a town lean.
I state that Annele is a town lean.
I yell at rob.
then why
Rob votes Annele.
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.
Quote
Rob votes Annele.
Rob townreads me for taking the time to townread Sub.
I ask iancu to vote.
Serp says I should be claiming to have Frozen iancu, I claim no ability use.
Kaempfer wants to infolynch me. Big red flag.
Shock restates the need for his voting bloc.
I switch to Annele, partially to reset timer, partially to see if we can get enough traction.
IIrc if the trains were you vs andre at the point in time, but you followed rob despite you townreading her? Why not try to kick your own train? When did your opinion flip some time between these 2 halves?

That said also ATE = Appeal To Emotion, CFD = Chinese Fire Drill, a last minute vote on someone who had little/none

It didn't look like andre was happening and there were barely enough votes to break my wagon, and Annele already had 2 so it was my best bet.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297689#msg1297689
« Reply #803 on: May 26, 2020, 08:38:26 am »
Wont have time to post lynch logs until much later (If someone else could take care of it, we could start more easily analyzing votes sooner, but i know its a buttload of work).

Clearing up some confusion (probably not what I should focus on now, but it seems obv now that i was wrong): Between serprex weirdly associating with shock and communicating outside thread, shock talking about the number of players knowing he's town and mw thinking he confirmed shock through a secondary I was so sure that shock was egg/crusader that became a deja vu. Given that the host didnt know at the time that mafia could roll deja as well, that would indeed confirm shock in an angly way. This doesnt seem to be the case however.
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