Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[serprex]

Rob doesn't respond to arguments, he just asks you to tell him about your day so he can read you better, & tells you to git gud

Rob, I know I'm not omniescent, but 100% the vote on you isn't a mafia ploy

[rob77dp]

Rob I don't think you understand his issue, just reply to this post.

Link- don't pretend like you don't know what moving votes around near EOD's does for possible investigative value and later-game analysis. I moved to another scum-read of mine. It's legit. Why would you not be willing to vote Annele - last I find you have a sus of her play so far... she has changed nothing since. Do you not want to vote her?

TorB - still town-lean on Annele for you? You had her "v" a bit ago, she since posted a few things of which at least a few have been suspicious of her additional posts... how reads you on that?

shock - are you having a townread of me? How do you see me right now --- I see you sheeping my vote onto Annele now, but I recall you thought I likely scum a bit ago, and with andre at that. Why move off one of your scumreads (timpa) to sheep the vote change of another scum-read you have (me) voting onto Annele??

Kae - do you have a town-read on Annele??  You had her neutral + (n+) earlier today and she hasn't posted since then -- seems a strong reaction to a vote onto her given an n+ read on her and you have a town-read on me... Can you give a bit on why you are unhappy with my vote change?

Your reason to unvote andre doesnt make any goddamn sense; idc who you vote, if you are going to say andre has no traction, andre has no traction= andre scum and then you vote someone else while being on andre all day you are not making any sense

OK? I already addressed it. I also scum-read Annele. I moved wagons to look for people reacting to it - by vote (shock), by suddenly appearing (Kae), by oddly posting they think I'm crazy (you), or by almost same-time posting about being sus on me (TorB), etc.

[Linkcat]

While you're secondguessing everything, try not to secondguess confirmed town & come join my lonely vote

I think rob is scummy but his chance of being town multiplied by my confidence in his reads is still higher than yours.

[Submachine]

It is an interesting development to me that people do not agree with rob's switch, but noone is counterpushing him.

I'm trying to develop my thoughts on this... do mafia see any benefit to playing along/in the Graboid vote-hiding thing? That is, what are the thoughts around on whether it might something scum do/don't do, no connection, strong connection, etc.??

At first thought, my guess is they would want to hide in the unvoting "becaue Graboid" bloc if they can so long as a buddy is not on the block / at risk. That is, if town are on the block then scum do prefer to obscure their vote, in my experience, and being part of a group "being towny to help a possible town!Grabby" fit sthat bill. BUt I'm not sure it is that easy/simple.

You forget what Graboid does during the night. It is an ability shield, and a huge incentive to avoid bad targeting. Used by Town, I see it as a tool to avoid getting killed. Reasons can vary.

[moehrpi]

Annele, kaempfer, shock, your votes are not doing anything right now. Put them somewhere else. Moe, I would love to hear your take right now.

My take is that I had to skip, like, four pages somewhere in the middle, ugh...

So here goes: I am not Grabby and will place my vote. ironically I am fine with both Andre and Nelly. Collecting thoughts as of now. :x

[Ge0metry v1.2]

rob77dp (1) - serprex
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, Calindu
Linkcat (2) - Annele, kaempfer13
Annele (3) - Ge0metry, rob77dp, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks

I know torb posted this a couple pages back, but here's a refresh of the current tally in case anyone is coming in last minute and having difficulties finding it.

[rob77dp]

Rob doesn't respond to arguments, he just asks you to tell him about your day so he can read you better, & tells you to git gud

Rob, I know I'm not omniescent, but 100% the vote on you isn't a mafia ploy

Which makes it all the more frustrating for me - confirmed town I consider to have a good position to push around and not tunnel because other town can see it and have a frame of reference on what another town is able to uncocver/generate in the thread. You're tunneling me instead. And treating my developing posts, reads, and gameplay as worthless because well you've already got me nailed as scummy-scum-scum!rob. You're wrong, but since you cannot "know" that right now I find it frustrating you are not being more helpful by looking at more places than just one.

[Linkcat]

Rob I don't think you understand his issue, just reply to this post.

Link- don't pretend like you don't know what moving votes around near EOD's does for possible investigative value and later-game analysis. I moved to another scum-read of mine. It's legit. Why would you not be willing to vote Annele - last I find you have a sus of her play so far... she has changed nothing since. Do you not want to vote her?

TorB - still town-lean on Annele for you? You had her "v" a bit ago, she since posted a few things of which at least a few have been suspicious of her additional posts... how reads you on that?

shock - are you having a townread of me? How do you see me right now --- I see you sheeping my vote onto Annele now, but I recall you thought I likely scum a bit ago, and with andre at that. Why move off one of your scumreads (timpa) to sheep the vote change of another scum-read you have (me) voting onto Annele??

Kae - do you have a town-read on Annele??  You had her neutral + (n+) earlier today and she hasn't posted since then -- seems a strong reaction to a vote onto her given an n+ read on her and you have a town-read on me... Can you give a bit on why you are unhappy with my vote change?

Your reason to unvote andre doesnt make any goddamn sense; idc who you vote, if you are going to say andre has no traction, andre has no traction= andre scum and then you vote someone else while being on andre all day you are not making any sense

OK? I already addressed it. I also scum-read Annele. I moved wagons to look for people reacting to it - by vote (shock), by suddenly appearing (Kae), by oddly posting they think I'm crazy (you), or by almost same-time posting about being sus on me (TorB), etc.

No, you did not. You still haven't explained why you said andre had no traction or why him having no traction (which he did) makes him scum.

[rob77dp]

Annele, kaempfer, shock, your votes are not doing anything right now. Put them somewhere else. Moe, I would love to hear your take right now.

My take is that I had to skip, like, four pages somewhere in the middle, ugh...

So here goes: I am not Grabby and will place my vote. ironically I am fine with both Andre and Nelly. Collecting thoughts as of now. :x

Moe - youre confirmed-town partner Deja is exactly opposite... he is voting and sure I am scum, you are good voting or lynching either of my two top targets. Hmm

[Submachine]

SIX MINUTES LEFT!!!

[rob77dp]

Ge0, please be helpful, just showing up and doing a post-count thing is not helpful... 

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I'm so weirded out by robs sudden lapse of logic that I am secondguessing everything

Good - do you find my move scummy? Towny? Just confusing? How about your take on how I am explaining about what I might be tryinig to do with my manuever?

well i mean it would be scummy if the trains were indeed w/w all day long, but that kind of goes against everything that i was thinking

A new hope.
kaempfer13 does not have any votes on him yet anyway, so I'd like to see what this leads to and remove him from my list of suspects.