Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[kaempfer13]

Oh yh, i forgot that this day is a bit longer, but i think if we dont want to lynch a town today sth needs to happen.

[shockcannon]

You and Annele need to switch to rob before we mislynch andre.

[shockcannon]

Or serprex needs to be willing to switch to Linkcat, but he seems stupidly stubborn so we need to cut our losses so that serprex doesn't ruin our voting power.

[Calindu]

My bad for the invalid vote, I quoted the wrong message

rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele

Fixed the vote count, can't really contribute more at the moment as I have a deadline for a project tomorrow. I still read everything, so if anyone needs anything specific from me, just let me know.

Sub isn't happening, give me your top 3 scumreads.

At this point, excluding Sub, it's rob, andre and you. However, kae's posts since last night give me a strange feeling to be honest.
I'll vote on andre for now, to not hammer the lynch on rob, but I find rob as a valid lynch today as well.

rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele

Will try to be on at end of day but can't promise sadly.

Why are your scumreads precisely any wagon that happened during the day?

They were on my read list, long before this post, I haven't changed my opinion too much on anyone other than you since then, since I didn't have the time to fully analyse everything.

As for why I voted specifically on andre, I thought rob was at 3 votes before, and I think hammering him when I'm not sure I can be active at end of day is bad. Moreover, if he flips mafia, this pretty much confirms rob and Link to me, and I see that as a big advantage for town.

[kaempfer13]

You think we have 3 scum wagons right now?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

kaempfer13 is constantly attacking people on either the andretimpa or rob77dp train, but no one else. I wonder why.

Also, if kaempfer flips mafia, rob is also likely mafia.
If rob flips mafia, andretimpa is also likely mafia.

So all three of those lynches are good in my opinion.

Sub and Link are probably town, because of current lynch counts along with rob trying to incriminate Sub and kaempfer trying to incriminate Link as well as Sub/Links posts so far.

Spoiler for incrimination:

I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.

If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.

You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.

TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.

That's my exhortation here.

[kaempfer13]

You and Annele need to switch to rob before we mislynch andre.

The issue is I am equally stubborn to not vote rob as serprex is to do so.

[kaempfer13]

kaempfer13 is constantly attacking people on either the andretimpa or rob77dp train, but no one else. I wonder why.

Also, if kaempfer flips mafia, rob is also likely mafia.
If rob flips mafia, andretimpa is also likely mafia.

So all three of those lynches are good in my opinion.

Sub and Link are probably town, because of current lynch counts along with rob trying to incriminate Sub and kaempfer trying to incriminate Link as well as Sub/Links posts so far.

Spoiler for incrimination:

I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.

If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.

You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.

TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.

That's my exhortation here.

Because those have been lead wagons for way too long/frequently.

[rob77dp]

You and Annele need to switch to rob before we mislynch andre.

Why should they listen to you? How should any of us, except scum, act like timpa is surely a ML? What's your angle on this shock??

[rob77dp]

You think we have 3 scum wagons right now?

No. Fact.

[kaempfer13]

with like 3 votes so its not like scum couldnt easily steer against it when needed.

[Linkcat]

Andre flipping mafia does not confirm rob. It doesn't even confirm me 100%.

Here's how I see it. If rob is mafia, then my theory is likely correct and andre is also mafia. If rob is town, then we both have andre as our top scumread, so he's almost definitely mafia. Either way this is the best lynch.