Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[shockcannon]

kaempf - Well I have my own reasons for believing he's town. However, if we delve strictly into his posts, the most important thing he's done so far is start a timer extension vote. Now this can be interpreted three ways in my opinion.

1.) He could be a mafia looking to extend the timer to give more time to deflect votes off another mafia. Submachine and andretimpa were the two at risk during this time. I already explained why I think it's unlikely for andretimpa to be mafia. Submachine + kaempf is a mafia combo I have considered and haven't quite thrown out yet. That's something we could look into.

2.) He's a town who wants to give town more time to discuss, which can be good because it provides more opportunities for mafia to slip up. It also would've prevented a potential last minute swap race that looked highly possible with submachine and andretimpa so close in votes and no one else having basically any. He also hasn't voted on anyone. Additionally, you mention how he defends rob, but personally I think defending someone can actually be a strong town trait. I think mafia members are more likely to deflect and switch focus when their teammate is in danger as opposed to directly defending as kaempf has done.

3.) He's a mafia member who started the time extension vote to gain credibility as a town. Personally, I think he's WAAAAY too much of a noob to pull this off, but I suppose he's got 3 other members to help him. A possibility but I find this third option to be the least likely.

I don't want this to be lost in my wall of text because the highlighted part about kaempf is very important and I think you're missing this point.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

These points are all valid. The main reason for me to suspect kaempfer13 is a gut feeling based on a him playing off-character. The rest was pieced together to support my hypothesis. Regarding MasterWalks, I was hoping my idea would spark an idea with him and have him start to make more sense about it.
If your theory is correct, mafia MasterWalks would use this statement to follow up a kaempfer13 mislynch with a shockcannon mislynch, of which the latter seldom meets much resistance. This is a disastrous situation for town.
Focussing on rob lynch is something I have no issues with, regardless.

[kaempfer13]

darn, i overslept and my readlist is way overdue. But there is some things i need to get off my chest first.

Shock you are forgetting the possibility that rob is town and I'm scum buddying him (which would potentially earn me his trust and also give me a reason to sheep his reads whenever i feel like it). Obv, that's not the case, but you shouldn't know that , so you need to consider that scenario.

And then there is a whole wall about TorB incoming.

[Annele]

Haven't posted much due to being asleep and then working all day, sorry.

My quick flip on rob was me going from being convinced he was mafia to realising the other possibilities. If fate egg didn't exist, the only situation that makes sense to me was if rob was mafia, and so I went hard in that direction. Once I realised that fate egg was an option, the two scenarios (rob being mafia or town) are a lot more equal in my mind, so I laid off. I probably swung too hard in the other direction for what were roughly equal possibilities, but Rob's posts at that point read more genuine to me too, especially the fate egg explanation.

Btw sorry for putting the fate egg option out too openly - I assumed that I was the only one who didn't get it (which was why no one else was gunning so hard for rob) so I didn't think there was any harm in mentioning it. Maybe should have thought that through more.

The reasoning I mentioned when I voted for andre wasn't link's but rob's and masterwalk's which had combined in my mind when I made the post. (Looking bad that was phrased rather poorly.) My point was I was suspicious that linkcat might be orchestrating a lynch, but I'd gone through andre's posts at that point and agreed with the sentiment that he'd said enough to avoid inactivity suspicion but nothing of real substance.

Shockcannon's point about how no one seems to be deflecting or defending andre even though he's the lead to be lynched rings true to me, and I'm more suspicious of linkcat that I was before. Reading through rob's posts now that he's not just defending himself, I don't really have a read of him anymore. There's certainly still a reasonable chance he's mafia egg, and I like serp's suggestion.

rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks

I keep secondguessing my reads, and I fear a lot of the cryptic role stuff is going over my head. I don't like how link seems to be pushing the narrative so much more than others though, and I'd say he's my strongest scumread at this point. Townreads at the moment, aside from moe and serp, are probably torb and shock. I liked what cal was posting a while ago, but he hasn't said anything recently so I'd be interested in his perspective now. I was also leaning town on kae for a while and so the torb wall might make me reconsider things, but this is where I'm at right now.

[kaempfer13]

So I said earlier that TorB and i often think alike. Well, it's blatantly obvious now that this isn't the case at all this game. I'm thinking that either one of us has lost their touch or our alignements differ.

First off there's the fate egg/oty business. It seems TorB still insists that not shooting would have been correct (and his comment about misrepresenting things was actually directed at how I perceived he interpreted my mental state). Now, in case you're interested I can go into more detail why that is mathematically the incorrect decision.
However, this is actually whatever, an honest mistake. NAI.
The reason I mention this is that going by his very own logic I should be scumreading him for it:

I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.

I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.

Being wrong doesnt necessarily mean you are scum. I'm just saying this in case you are town, so you keep that in mind for the future.
But upon rereading i noticed that the timing of his reads is rather odd in light of the votecounts at the time.

Spoiler for Hidden:

rob77dp (1) - serprex

Auch. I think rob just became our primary maf suspect, though. There was a clear agreement NOT to use offensive roles N0...

Not voting this day, though.

Ok this one is pretty reasonable tbh.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Thanks, now vote on andre with me so we can get a second wagon going.

stop trying to buddy me.

rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks


I want read list from andre and THE post from sub. id vote both if i could until they respond.

I don't have anything substantial to add so here is the post count after game start:
rob 13
link 8 dc 8
sub 5
www 3 serp 3
cal 2 shock 2 mw 2 ian 2 kdz 2
andre 1 nelly 1 torb 1 moe 1
kae 0 coffee 0 ge0 0

To follow this up, let us look at the count at the end of N0:
rob 17
link 12
dc 11
sub 10
torb 5 kae 5
www 4 ian 4
cal 3 mw 3 serp 3
nelly 2 moe 2 shock 2 kdz 2
ge0 1 andre 1
coffee 0

To me, the most suspicious people had exactly one post. 0 likely just means total inactivity.

So now, finally to the reads list:

vv
serprex, moehrpi - see my previous post

v
Calindu - Good posts, nice read list.
MasterWalks - The most suspicious thing, is that his play seems so much better than last mafia, where he was town.
Annele - Agree with the posts, but would prefer to see more. Read list, maybe?

n
Ge0metry v1.2 - Your argument is valid.
killsdazombies

Spoiler for info:

Your argument is valid, as long as:

I'll hopefully be able to read up and provide an insight and opinion into the current happenings.

...and we're good!

Linkcat - I like almost everything he says. Maybe too much so? That's why only neutral.
DoubleCapitals - less shitposting, more content. You're already going in the right direction with these last few posts, so keep it up.
kaempfer13 - His posts this mafia did not leave much of an impression on me, thus far. Reading them back they are all valid points, sure, but nothing stood out. Why the focus on Linkcat? Just give all the reads?
rob77dp - I disagree with the kill, but not with his conviction that it was somehow supposed to be helpful.
shockcannon - I am not even going to bother. Nothing to go on so far this mafia, but more posts probably would not help with that...

w (I could follow the n- crowd to seem less incriminating, but nah)
iancudorinmarian

Spoiler for dirt:

I am still missing some of your reads. I want all of your reads and all of your arguments.

I kinda skimmed through posts. So I guess it's time to make up my own list.

vv - deja vu's. Impossible (?) to counterclaim
serp
moe

v
rob - I really think he's just town fate egg and didn't want to "waste" his ability. Arguably a bad decision, but I  don't think he's mafia.

n+
TorB - similar playstyle as last time I played with him.

n
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.
Sub - Bad plans as usual.

n-
shock - I agree, he's too quiet. Although he could just be bored. Out of town, apparently

Fixing vote count. Also, probably not voting today.

rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu

I really dislike players being omitted from lists, mafia omitting mafia from these lists "because they do not have a read on them" is too easy. Simply have to call out on this.

Add that to low amount of posts in general. We want to hear more :D

andretimpa

Spoiler for dirt:

Out of the people with exactly one post, I have seen no reasoning for inactivity other than "almost forgetting about this". In the same way, what he did post, is also kind of forgettable.

When is the best time to post read-lists? I have at least some ideas about townsfolk, www is definitely on it.
Will try to post more frequently in the future.

Read lists are always good imo

If they're so good, where is yours?

Submachine

Spoiler for all the dirt:

You mentioned RQs, I'm not seeing any RQs. You did mention you would only do them when discussion dies down, so that's okay. In total, I'm just seeing a lot of I will statements from him, but he's not backing them up.

I am reading the roles and trying to think of strategies that are not obvious.

• Sometimes it might be better to not do anything, because then you catch fireflies sent your way. This way, a mafia Firefly Queen can be somewhat slowed (it is still a ridiculously overpowered role in the hands of Mafia, in my opinion, it needs counter-measures).
  Mind Flayers and Graboids are exceptions, because they have higher priority than Firefly Queen.
  _

• Warden doesn't roleblock anymore
  

  Ok, not entirely true. It still blocks everyone who targets the same person, including the occasional Golden Nymph. Personally, I still advise against using it.
  _
• I struggle to think of acceptable situations where Warden should be used. If used on unknown, it blocks investigation. If used on Town, it blocks healing and allows Nightkill. If used on conf Mafia, it blocks Otyugh.
  I guess it COULD be used to protect someone from a publicly announced Otyugh attack. Or it COULD be used to confirm the existence of roles, by asking them to target the same person. But that's it.

More later, too many people are posting.

I'm still waiting for the strategies.

Sh**, I almost forgot about deadline >_>

Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust.

• Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
• Put up an RQS about how others behave when they are mafia, and ask them to provide examples. This is a good way to spot some dishonest players, or it brings attention to some stuff that puts pressure on Mafs.
• Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rate, or people with more posts in general.

You're not dead yet, follow your own advice?

I am confused about several things, but I am too afraid to ask, and honestly, I don't even know where to start.

I'll sit this phase out.

Your argument is invalid. I want all the questions. Questions left unanswered can sometimes tell more than the answers themselves would.

I see more people addressed me, but do excuse me if I only respond to them tomorrow.

Please do, that may very well lift most suspicion. You're only standing here on the list because you're consistently failing to follow up.

As the thread mood drops rob, so too does TorB.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Switching my vote from Sub to kaempf. Doesn't really make sense to be voting with my least towny reads on someone I'm n+ on

I agree with kaempf's logic re always using devour as fate egg

rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex

Spoiler for Hidden:

TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.

I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia  you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.

Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.

Well, you are wrong about at least one thing.
Besides I wouldnt panic that much over rob (in the obv nonexistent world of us w/w) now considering the votecount.

Anyway, what would you have done if you were fate egg and rolled oty (it's gone the next night). from what i am gathering you would have holstered? I'm not the only one that can explain to you why thats a mistake as either alignement.

Will you stop shoving statements into my mouth? Of course you are not panicking. Do you know what the best time and method is to defend rob? By silencing the instigator after the suspect has left the spotlight.

As for the question: I am pretty sure my previous statements have made perfectly clear I would not target someone with a kill ability, that I would expect to be modkilled anyway.

Well, your initial dislike of using an offensive role implied you would have holstered. But since you veto that now, what would have been the right way to use it according to  you?

Veto? What are you even talking about? I said I would not use a kill ability N0. Moreover, it does not even matter!

Just so we're 100% clear, eating Coffee was a good play as either alignment so that doesn't say much by itself, and it's amusing that multiple people are reading it both ways. It's his reactions afterward that you should be focusing on for your read.

What I chose was simply the best self-perceived angle of attack at the time. The reactions to it have been totally worth it.

Also, if kaempfer flips mafia, rob is also likely mafia.
If rob flips mafia, andretimpa is also likely mafia.

Spoiler for reasoning:

The relative low level of pushes to sway wagons I see as likely indicative of possibly:
1. We have competing scum wagons (which would be GREAT)
2. We have competing town wagons (do NOT like this)
3. elements activity is always lower than I'm used to elsewhere, so just not a lot of "prescence"...

--> I'm accustomed to most players being around at EOD's, in which case calm thread means scum have either no reason to try to manuever (town wagons; or dont' know how to parse wagons of teammates) / town feel 'solved' on an acceptable state of votes... or the worst case just a dead thread activity level which is not fun at all.

rob is posting this at the time where andretimpa is ahead in votes. Why? He is hoping to shift the train in favor of someone other than andretimpa without having the entire mafia list in the train.

So all three of those lynches are good in my opinion.

Sub and Link are probably town, because of current lynch counts along with rob trying to incriminate Sub and kaempfer trying to incriminate Link as well as Sub/Links posts so far.

Spoiler for incrimination:

I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.

If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.

You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.

TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.

That's my exhortation here.

Andre is merely an associative read here; logically he should focus on lynching rob, as if rob isnt mafia his argument against andre is invalid.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

So I said earlier that TorB and i often think alike. Well, it's blatantly obvious now that this isn't the case at all this game. I'm thinking that either one of us has lost their touch or our alignements differ.

First off there's the fate egg/oty business. It seems TorB still insists that not shooting would have been correct (and his comment about misrepresenting things was actually directed at how I perceived he interpreted my mental state). Now, in case you're interested I can go into more detail why that is mathematically the incorrect decision.
However, this is actually whatever, an honest mistake. NAI.
The reason I mention this is that going by his very own logic I should be scumreading him for it:

I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.

I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.

Being wrong doesnt necessarily mean you are scum. I'm just saying this in case you are town, so you keep that in mind for the future.
But upon rereading i noticed that the timing of his reads is rather odd in light of the votecounts at the time.

Using town Fate Egg Otyugh on an inactive that would get modkilled anyway is logically incorrect. The chance of having to justify your actions of killing a town and role claim are much higher than the chance of hitting a mafia to get some kind of confirmation. If you knew he'd be inactive, you could have deliberately targeted a teammate for cred.

The logic of a random kill benefiting whatever faction performs the kill (mafia in particular) by being able to reduce the pool by at least yourself is mathematically understandable.

I would not do this to not draw attention to myself, and because it feels morally incorrect. So while using the ability feels logically incorrect from the perspective rob paints, the reason I would not use it in general is because it feels morally incorrect. It's like saying you would rather play mafia with fewer players.

As for the rest: my tunneling on rob felt justified by the vote count on him, but if there was no support for a rob vote, then it does not hurt to review my own perspective. It is in town's best interest to influence lynches away from other town, in mafia's best interest to influence lynches away from other mafia. So I can understand both perspectives on that on me.

[kaempfer13]

Haven't posted much due to being asleep and then working all day, sorry.

My quick flip on rob was me going from being convinced he was mafia to realising the other possibilities. If fate egg didn't exist, the only situation that makes sense to me was if rob was mafia, and so I went hard in that direction. Once I realised that fate egg was an option, the two scenarios (rob being mafia or town) are a lot more equal in my mind, so I laid off. I probably swung too hard in the other direction for what were roughly equal possibilities, but Rob's posts at that point read more genuine to me too, especially the fate egg explanation.

Btw sorry for putting the fate egg option out too openly - I assumed that I was the only one who didn't get it (which was why no one else was gunning so hard for rob) so I didn't think there was any harm in mentioning it. Maybe should have thought that through more.

The reasoning I mentioned when I voted for andre wasn't link's but rob's and masterwalk's which had combined in my mind when I made the post. (Looking bad that was phrased rather poorly.) My point was I was suspicious that linkcat might be orchestrating a lynch, but I'd gone through andre's posts at that point and agreed with the sentiment that he'd said enough to avoid inactivity suspicion but nothing of real substance.

Shockcannon's point about how no one seems to be deflecting or defending andre even though he's the lead to be lynched rings true to me, and I'm more suspicious of linkcat that I was before. Reading through rob's posts now that he's not just defending himself, I don't really have a read of him anymore. There's certainly still a reasonable chance he's mafia egg, and I like serp's suggestion.

rob77dp (4) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon, Annele
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks

I keep secondguessing my reads, and I fear a lot of the cryptic role stuff is going over my head. I don't like how link seems to be pushing the narrative so much more than others though, and I'd say he's my strongest scumread at this point. Townreads at the moment, aside from moe and serp, are probably torb and shock. I liked what cal was posting a while ago, but he hasn't said anything recently so I'd be interested in his perspective now. I was also leaning town on kae for a while and so the torb wall might make me reconsider things, but this is where I'm at right now.

Uhm, why are you not voting Linkcat then?

[kaempfer13]

I'm seeing several perspective slips here:

Spoiler for Hidden:

So I said earlier that TorB and i often think alike. Well, it's blatantly obvious now that this isn't the case at all this game. I'm thinking that either one of us has lost their touch or our alignements differ.

First off there's the fate egg/oty business. It seems TorB still insists that not shooting would have been correct (and his comment about misrepresenting things was actually directed at how I perceived he interpreted my mental state). Now, in case you're interested I can go into more detail why that is mathematically the incorrect decision.
However, this is actually whatever, an honest mistake. NAI.
The reason I mention this is that going by his very own logic I should be scumreading him for it:

I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.

I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.

Being wrong doesnt necessarily mean you are scum. I'm just saying this in case you are town, so you keep that in mind for the future.
But upon rereading i noticed that the timing of his reads is rather odd in light of the votecounts at the time.

Using town Fate Egg Otyugh on an inactive that would get modkilled anyway is logically incorrect Ok, but same logic applies to mafia doing that kill. If he's modkilled anyway this is just a waste. The chance of having to justify your actions of killing a town and role claim are much higher than the chance of hitting a mafia to get some kind of confirmationUm, the goal here is less to confirm yourself but more to eliminate a mafia; obv rob missed, but hindsight is 20/20. If you knew he'd be inactive, you could have deliberately targeted a teammate for credWee wooo, wee woo; you are suggesting here that mafia rob should have eaten a mafia member to get confirmed. This evidently didnt occur. The only people that have information on who they are working with are the mafia (and deja vus, but they obv dont eat people); Also the only way rob would have known if coffee was inactive is if both were mafia. Town rob has no insight on that other than lack of presence in thread..

The logic of a random kill benefiting whatever faction performs the kill (mafia in particular) by being able to reduce the pool by at least yourself is mathematically understandable.And for town also; you acknowledge it yet keep insisting that it's wrong?

I would not do this to not draw attention to myself, and because it feels morally incorrect. So while using the ability feels logically incorrect from the perspective rob paints, the reason I would not use it in general is because it feels morally incorrect. It's like saying you would rather play mafia with fewer players. Are you arguing that you wouldnt do it despite it being mechanically correct, because you feel it wrong to deny people to keep playing the game longer? Are you even trying to win?

As for the rest: my tunneling on rob felt justified by the vote count on him, but if there was no support for a rob vote, then it does not hurt to review my own perspective. It is in town's best interest to influence lynches away from other town, in mafia's best interest to influence lynches away from other mafia. So I can understand both perspectives on that on me.

[kaempfer13]

Work in progress before I go insane:

Spoiler for Hidden:

vv:
moehrpi
serprex
Man, I must be some kind of genius or sth.

v+:
MasterWalks:

Spoiler for Hidden:

Hats off if he faked the thing about his powerrole, clearing a player and than taking it back (apparently based on an answer to a rule question, which I find believable). I just can't see him of all people to make that up.

shockcannon: Reasons, some of which I dont want to mention right now.

rob77dp: Fate egg action is NAI, but actually makes perfect sense unlike some people think. Overall he seems highly invested in keeping discussion going .I also have a bias given that i see Linkcats push on him as wolfy.

Submachine: I still think his overall confusion and questioning, while not very effective, wouldn't really serve any purpose if he was scum other than a mild distraction and me reading him this way. Even if he has high WIM I think he would find better uses of his time if he were scum.

n+:
Annele
Drops a little if Sub is scum, due to shocks observation.

n-:
Geo:
Regardless of alignement his inexperience is showing. I can see the perspective of town not wanting to get lynched and not having individual reads this early as well. However it disproportionally affects wolfes, as they have to worry a lot more about their survival and it's often hard to make up a read on a person whose alignement you are already perfectly aware of.

w:
TheonlyrealBeef
See previous post

Linkcat
I actually saw a lot of sensible posts from him after i called him out, so I will reread and reevaluate. I still have an underlying bad feeling about him though.

Still need sorting:
1. iancudorinmarian
6. Calindu
12. andretimpa
15. killsdazombies
16. DoubleCapitals

[TheonlyrealBeef]

See, the major issue here is that the math is based purely on the kill itself with no mind on the reactions of people, in a game based on reading people.

Ok, but same logic applies to mafia doing that kill. If he's modkilled anyway this is just a waste

Right. So perhaps rob is not being truthful and is using this excuse for his own justification.

Wee wooo, wee woo; you are suggesting here that mafia rob should have eaten a mafia member to get confirmed. This evidently didnt occur. The only people that have information on who they are working with are the mafia (and deja vus, but they obv dont eat people); Also the only way rob would have known if coffee was inactive is if both were mafia. Town rob has no insight on that other than lack of presence in thread.

No? Just that rob Fate Egg Otyugh eating a mafia would not prove anything because that is what he could have done.

Are you arguing that you wouldnt do it despite it being mechanically correct, because you feel it wrong to deny people to keep playing the game longer? Are you even trying to win?

Sure, winning through uncovering the mafia through deduction, that is the fun part, not doing a crapshoot and praying you hit something good. But it is only mechanically correct if you are guaranteed there will be no backfire, you might even get policy lynched.

If the math adds up but you get lynched as town for it afterwards, you just screwed up big time. You can blame me, you can blame the rest of town, I blame the shortsightedness of a potential town Fate Egg Otyugh. But I do not believe rob is one.

[Annele]

Uhm, why are you not voting Linkcat then?

I didn't think it would be worth it since rob is further ahead in the lynch this time, and also wanted to show my support for serp's plan. I was tossing up between them for a while before settling on rob. But, fair enough

rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele

[Calindu]

rob77dp (3) - Ge0metry v1.2, serprex, shockcannon
Submachine (1) - Calindu
andretimpa (2) - Linkcat, rob77dp
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - Annele

Fixed the vote count, can't really contribute more at the moment as I have a deadline for a project tomorrow. I still read everything, so if anyone needs anything specific from me, just let me know.