Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[shockcannon]

I won't share quite yet why the first two posts I quoted are important, but I will share why Annele's post is important. The important part in Annele's post is the vote count at that exact moment in time and the fact that Annele felt compelled by other's to come out and vote, despite saying in a previous post that she was not going to vote at that moment because she agreed with the current tallies, which were:

rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, serprex
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp


I won't comment right now on what this information says to me, but HOLY COW was this post by Annele an interesting one for me. This game was very boring up until this point.

[Linkcat]

Wow, would you look at that, some actual substance. Here, I took a picture to commemorate the occasion.

Spoiler for Proud of you:

Good observation, especially considering that she said she agreed with my reasoning, despite me not actually having given any at the time.

[shockcannon]

The fact that you are too blinded by the name of the author of the post to see any substance doesn't mean my posts lack substance. Plenty of players will find substance in every post I have given so far. It's also quite hilarious to hear that come from someone who has found a way to make 70+ posts and counting before day 1 has even finished.

[andretimpa]

@torb

The relative low level of pushes to sway wagons I see as likely indicative of possibly:
1. We have competing scum wagons (which would be GREAT)
2. We have competing town wagons (do NOT like this)
3. elements activity is always lower than I'm used to elsewhere, so just not a lot of "prescence"...

--> I'm accustomed to most players being around at EOD's, in which case calm thread means scum have either no reason to try to manuever (town wagons; or dont' know how to parse wagons of teammates) / town feel 'solved' on an acceptable state of votes... or the worst case just a dead thread activity level which is not fun at all.

rob is posting this at the time where andretimpa is ahead in votes. Why? He is hoping to shift the train in favor of someone other than andretimpa without having the entire mafia list in the train.

This strikes me more as "general wisdom" (I don't personally agree, but I'm also not a top player) and I think you are just reading too much here. I agree tho that kaemp seems overly defensive in his recent responses.

@Link

I got something for you, Torb.

Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.

Is this a Fate Egg claim?

rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.

Here andre sheeps rob's scumreads but then throws rob in as well. Very odd. This is why I asked rob about an andre lynch. While he was fine with the other option I presented, he refused this one while keeping him at a comfortable n- in his readslist. I was kind of cooling down on the andre lynch because of the same reason rob had in that post, but I didn't say anything. It would be just his style to use that to spook us into another lynch without having to force it. There's no way he would risk himself to defend andre openly. Not sold on kaempfer, though.

The context of that post was that rob had made a wild move that I still think was not a good play, even as fate egg (I asked for confirmation, as it would make the move have at least some sense). The other reads were indeed a bit colored by rob's opinions (the same way you colored some of mine in my read list, even though I don't trust you 100%).

Just to be clear, I don't have an overall read of rob as neither town nor mafia so far and I still only keep suspicions about Anelle after thinking a bit more (I can share if you want, but it's pretty weak)

[serprex]

Spoiler for shock:

Spoiler for has:

Spoiler for made:

Spoiler for linkcat:

Spoiler for proud:

[Linkcat]

The fact that you are too blinded by the name of the author of the post to see any substance doesn't mean my posts lack substance. Plenty of players will find substance in every post I have given so far. It's also quite hilarious to hear that come from someone who has found a way to make 70+ posts and counting before day 1 has even finished.

This is nothing. I played with multiple people who had 300+ on Day 1, without an extension or Night 0. Your 7, on the other hand, is laughable.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I got something for you, Torb.

Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.

Is this a Fate Egg claim?

rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.

Here andre sheeps rob's scumreads but then throws rob in as well. Very odd. This is why I asked rob about an andre lynch. While he was fine with the other option I presented, he refused this one while keeping him at a comfortable n- in his readslist. I was kind of cooling down on the andre lynch because of the same reason rob had in that post, but I didn't say anything. It would be just his style to use that to spook us into another lynch without having to force it.

Throwing a name in a list is easy, but I'm not seeing any lynchvotes. So yeah, another point to add to the case.

There's no way he would risk himself to defend andre openly. Not sold on kaempfer, though.

Nope, which is why:

This strikes me more as "general wisdom" (I don't personally agree, but I'm also not a top player)

If you put it like that, instead of asking to vote for specific lynches, it is supposed to be a lot less suspicious.

[Ge0metry v1.2]

@Kaempf, is there a reason why you have not voted? Unless I missed it, you didn't state your intent to not vote like torb and ian. Moe is basically confirmed town, shock has declared wishes to no lynch, and kdz has his birthday as a reason for inactivity.

[Ge0metry v1.2]

EBWOP:
I would like to mention also that other players are specifically curious about your vote, from the list of players who have not voted.

[rob77dp]

shock - this not one of the maybe 1% of cases where No Lynch is a "right move". Town wins the game when all mafia players are dead. Sure there are roles to allow uncovering of mafia players but relying on night phase as town is VERY tenuous at best and pretty much demonstrably NOT a way to ultimately advance the win-con. (Hint: this game is nowhere near MYLO which I believe is just such a kind of rare occasion) please get off the bad idea that No Lynch is somehow beneficial to town. UNLESS you can fully articulate why that is the proper course of action, and NO this is not any kind of attempt to press or ask for role claims or un-necessary stuff like that. Just look for someone scummy to vote or push or look into players game/posts so far to find scummy aspects to review or bring to light.

Annele- be honest, you have no real knowledge whether I have an ability now or not so just toss out the lines about how you think I might be scum due to some stretch about me being some kind of mafia bait piece angle.

Is this a Fate Egg claim?

rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.

DO NOT forget this grouping from andre down the road should he flip mafia -- I am still in a world where serp/moe is always v/v and if andre is mafia I'd gamble he put a scum mate in this pile (probably exactly one, wouldn't want to overdo it eh?)... TorB _or_ Annele if andre flips. Hot take, perhaps.

timpa - I do not recall you going into any depth at all about how you scumread this quartet... given there is quite a bit of thread content involving pointed discussion between me/TorB, me/Annele, and me/serp indpenednetly. Can you explain how you see a world where you are actually solving and arrive at this grouping that on the 10,000 ft view of the thread seems so un-natural of a set of reads????

[rob77dp]

I didn't stop reading after you said we should No Lynch, but I should have since you provided nothing of substance in this post.

NAI, ... but: SO. MUCH. THIS. I'll have more in my next post about it, but this does not look like a time that NL is town beneficial.

[rob77dp]

Triple post, ugh -- oddly the forum re-ordered my posts from how I clicked submit from multiple browser tabs... the FORMER post has the expanded notes, not a "next post". >.<