Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[Linkcat]

Sub's really grasping at like, a lot of things. Some of which I find largely insignificant and I feel he's swamping the conversation with

Has he been like this all the time folks?

Yes.

[Ge0metry v1.2]

FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!

I can't say I've been able to keep myself from reading shock's spoiilers either... is this normal? For someone to make posts directed at specific people and expect no one else to read them? And people will listen?

[killsdazombies]

FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!

I can't say I've been able to keep myself from reading shock's spoiilers either... is this normal? For someone to make posts directed at specific people and expect no one else to read them? And people will listen?

Im pretty sure its just a meme.

[Linkcat]

Spoiler for Hidden:

Haven't had a lot of time for this, which is the main reason I kept my posts more short and haven't been able to do anything with a significant depth so far.
These are my reads so far

serp (vv)
moe (vv)

They are both confirmed, not much to discuss here. If serp's translation was incorrect he'd get MK'd after all and only town could start with deja vu.

rob (n)

I poked him to claim if he was a Fate Egg or not, because that'd have been the only way his N0 action made sense to me. As it stands it seems a more neutral instead of scummy move to me.

torb (n+)

Taking a step back, his decisions make much more sense, regarding his discussion with rob.

Cal (n)
kdz (n)

Look like your regular players without much time to dedicate to mafia. Nothing to really build a read on stuck out to me.

shock (n)

Just doing his own thing for now. I hope he gets more serious later on.

DC (n)

Finally dropped the shitposting to vote. Nothing else to go by.

ian (n)

Was a n- until he gave us a reason for holding votes, despite posting a lot.

Annele (?)

After reading more on Link's posts I'm not sure how to feel about her.

Ge0

MW (n-)

I still share kaemp's impression that the only way he could know definitely if shock was town was Fate Egg/GN. Together with his Oty confusion later on it might just mean that he's getting confused about the rules (or I'm missing something here  )

Link (n+)

His effort is really striking me as town here, then again he's hard to read.

kaemp (n+)

Strikes me as town, would really love to see his read list

Sub (?)

Still wrapping my head around this mega post. Will update this once I'm done with it

Obliging to Link, I'll vote on my worst read so far

rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
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Wow, that was underwhelming. No unconfirmed players out of neutral, and really weak reasoning for your strongest/only scumread/vote. Makes me want to lynch you more but at the same time I think you'd be trying harder if you were actually mafia and the top train.

[kaempfer13]

MW, there is sth really weird about what you last said and what i think shock has been doing; check again which roles can target who.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Also it was my understanding that the common consensus was that withholding votes is not ideal? People that have not voted: torb, moe, ian, kaemp, kdz, shock

It is not, and we do not. BUT, there is a crucial difference between voting late and not voting at all. Mafia likes easy picking and placing their votes in a way that keeps their teammates safe. Joining a wagon and copying other peoples' reasons while deflecting from the wagon on a mafia member is typical.

By explicitly stating I will not vote at all, you can eat a tasty steak if I end up voting near the end. The rest may end up casting a vote to match the behavior I just described.

FYI, shock - I'm going to read every spoiler anybody makes... why wouldn't I? A spoiler possibly contains information or something to look into, I need information so don't expect me to avoid any sort of spoiler you give. ALso, seems odd you are hinting at thinking opening your spoilers is in some way alignment indicative??!

I can't say I've been able to keep myself from reading shock's spoiilers either... is this normal? For someone to make posts directed at specific people and expect no one else to read them? And people will listen?

Nooope.

[Linkcat]

Spoiler for Please only read if you are kaempf.:

I know you don’t have time or energy to play my games and I’m sure my spoilers aimed at you feel like games. But this go-around I’m very serious. My low post count should testify to that even if others fail to realize.

I wish people would listen to my spoilers as well as you do but unfortunately mafia are always so curious as well as other problem players like serprex and masterwalks. As such I’ve been struggling for the past day to find a way to work with you without the interference of every other player in this game. I have found a way. It will generate some responses though and I’m worried how this post will be taken. I hope they’ll be disregarded along with my previous posts. That’s optimal for us. Worst case scenario we get confusion from Sub, trolling from others, or targeting by mafia but I’m not concerned.

I will start by saying I’m not a fan of the extensions. I actually think town using night roles is where we make the most progress even without a GN. I think we have more than enough posts already for night roles to help us find mistakes made by mafias in all the posts we have received so far. However I do see your angle and I’m reconsidering my stance on extensions.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, I leave you with this message that many players will try to decipher and many will feel confident they know the implications of my message. Do not listen to what they say. I encourage you to read into this message almost at face value with slight implications outside of being a generic statement. This is not a game either, I’m being serious and trying to offer advice. And you don’t have to take it. It’s simply advice.

**
PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE
We will win this game. The mafia have given themselves away more than they realize. There’s no need to rush. Our options only increase with
**

P.S. My only town reads so far are you and anyone who chooses not to read this spoiler text. I suspect 2-3 specific players to skip reading this spoiler and trust me, I will be able to tell if they did indeed read this or not.

Also @everyone not named kaempf reading this. I spent 24 hours crafting this message. If you think I managed to give away any information to anyone who isn’t kaempf, then you have played right into my hands and I will enjoy what will follow from this. 

Like rob, I just can't resist. I did start trying to decipher your message, but then I remembered that it's you and anything else would be a better use of my time.

[DoubleCapitals]

And here, DC, this is for you after that iancu post.

Spoiler for Hidden:

That I should hold back on my vote/keep quiet? OR stop badgering ian re: his own lack of voting?

r/wooooosh

Yep, I probably missed and killed the joke here already... but could ya explain so that I don't misinterpret?

[Linkcat]

I have been going at Part 1 for almost six hours. I need a break.

If we do not get an extension and I get a pile of votes while I am away, I will live with it.

You're not the leading wagon, just one of the competing wagons... come down a notch and do some solving stuff or planning or w/e Sub does. That is, play to your win-con which as town is to your dying breath keep clawing at what you don't know and parsing what you think you know and do know to push information into the thread. Only a scum truly should arrive at a point where stopping in the thread is logically the best move for a win-con (i.e. - scum have a REASON to quit trying toward rough day phases as they know information they shouldn't as town; whereas, town don't really know all that much usually so they should see no GAME reasons to concede). Caveat emptor: humans are human, so town and scum can overlap in end-of-day emotional reactions, I realize this.

TL;DR - town!Sub should find plenty of reason to keep clawing as it helps town; scum!Sub just might have a legit breaking point to stop posting / spewing.

That's my exhortation here.

I find this to be a reasonable reaction for Sub as town, it fits his personality.

[serprex]

DC, you may want to review the status effects in this game

[Linkcat]

Extension (8) - kaempfer13, DoubleCapitals, Annele, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Calindu, andretimpa, Ge0metry v1.2

I'm hoping for more reactions to sub's and andre's posts before we lynch. Andre seems neutral to me, sub I still have no idea how to read. Will leave it to better players.

Also it was my understanding that the common consensus was that withholding votes is not ideal? People that have not voted: torb, moe, ian, kaemp, kdz, shock - why do they get a free pass for no vote when others and I were called out earlier for no vote? I don't mean to question this in an accusatory manner, despite how it may sound. Merely curious.

Good point, but the only person there that I really want to see a vote from is kaempfer.

[andretimpa]

Wow, that was underwhelming. No unconfirmed players out of neutral, and really weak reasoning for your strongest/only scumread/vote. Makes me want to lynch you more but at the same time I think you'd be trying harder if you were actually mafia and the top train.

Well, in my defense it's still D1 and I wasn't joking on the lack of time / not having read in too much depth yet part.