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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297121#msg1297121
« Reply #252 on: May 24, 2020, 01:20:39 am »
Welp, I do hope you write that text sub.

I do think I was too hasty to scumread rob without considering all role possibilities. It was a bad move, but I'm not as worried it was mafia trying to pull a fast one on us anymore.

I agree that no lynch is a bad idea atm, since we're already two town down, but I don't think rob should be the target. I'm not sure what else to go on yet, so I'll read through the posts again and also wait for sub's 'quite some text', which may change things.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297122#msg1297122
« Reply #253 on: May 24, 2020, 01:28:23 am »
That was against the rules, but the thread is not the place to discuss it. Pm any concerns you may have to the host and they will take appropriate action.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297123#msg1297123
« Reply #254 on: May 24, 2020, 01:33:43 am »
My wall of text will be more like a wall of questions, rather than a wall of answers. And I already regret that I started with the most damaging part that is not even relevant to solving.

I am not in the mind right now though, so do not stop the discussion until I get it together. I just need to finally stop playing Minecraft, go to sleep, and come back to this tomorrow.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297124#msg1297124
« Reply #255 on: May 24, 2020, 01:37:30 am »
Just post what you have, Sub. I'm going into withdrawal, I need content.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297125#msg1297125
« Reply #256 on: May 24, 2020, 01:59:45 am »
Here's more rule breaking, talking about the game with ghosts:

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297127#msg1297127
« Reply #257 on: May 24, 2020, 02:15:23 am »
I am finally done with the 'stop playing Minecraft' part, so initiate the part about sleeping. ^^
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297129#msg1297129
« Reply #258 on: May 24, 2020, 02:39:21 am »
I am finally done with the 'stop playing Minecraft' part, so initiate the part about sleeping. ^^

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297130#msg1297130
« Reply #259 on: May 24, 2020, 03:32:11 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297131#msg1297131
« Reply #260 on: May 24, 2020, 04:03:52 am »
FFS folks... I breadcrumbed my role in case I had to claim LATER, not because I wanted to do so D1. "Lunch" was a honest typo in N0, but having used fate and egg in subsequent posts whereas I pretty much NEVER use those words was on purpose. I am not going to be coming out here with any sort of admission of my shot being "wrong" or "bad" play because I don't think it was. It was an idea that didn't work out and that is as far as it should really go for now, given we have no idea in the long run how it may help / result in the game playing out.

If there are really some of you who just have to know what I was thinking, it is now easier for me to lay it out given I'm claiming Fate Egg. Read in bravado or self-importance or overthinking or egotistical or whatever you want, but the following is how I arrived at deciding to vig coffee N0. I get my role and am Oty N0 (great, what an awesome role that is even better the longer you hold it - but I have it _now_ and ONLY for N0 use or lose) from Fate Egg roll. Looking over the player list, I determine that there is a fair chance I may be a NK target N0 if certain other high profile or more active/"admired" (right word?) players are scum this game. Hence, I feel a fair chance that acting N0 is possibly one of my best chances to help town this game. It is not a secret nor a recent thing that I do not like low activity players. However, I know better than to snipe a player simply for LOW activity. So I start out thinking I want to snipe the scummiest poster N0 - problem quickly arises for me as I realize Elements mafia is not high activity in general, N0 is no real must to post a lot, and that in a role madness (not my favorite type...) game certain people might stay close to the vest N0 in order to avoid NK suspicion if they have a strong role (RIP www3). I then realize late-mid-ish N0 that coffee has not posted ANYTHING even once since signing up, is not signed in or active, was inactivity MK'd his previous mafia game a year ago, and from that I get a strong feeling that he is not going to be any kind of use this game if town and I have a chance N0 to bag a slacking scum. I am WELL AWARE that killing a town is not ideal but only HINDSIGHT tells me he was town - I saw it as a chance to be a benefit to town...

Whoever it was (Cal) that was scumreading me and made a statement about them seeing me as scummy for a "bad play" and "policy" is a duo of very bad terrible no good reasons to ever scumread or vote/lynch anyone. So that can just be knocked off now - the policy lynch, bad play lynch (in this case I will strongly argue - actually, I already have argued it this way - it was not a "bad play" but rather a bad result), info lynch, etc. is just so squarely a bad way to try to win if you're town and is a nice way to push mislynches if you're scum.

I believe the Deja claim. Serp- breadcrumbing is not using codes or invisitext etc... it is using regular language or aspects of regular posts than can be played by all players within the game to leave clues or hints or disguise info than can be further clarified later for it's additional meaning (but was understood and readable at the original time too).

This is a bit echoing a sentiment posted already - I think by kaempfer - but as I was going about my day today I was ruminating on this game... and having trouble figuring out what felt different about Link. I realized it seemed like he was a bit less concerned with what I _recall_ him liking to do which is find some town reads, find some scumreads, build a POE, and push around on the remaining set of players to get them to post and be active enough that he can read them into those three categories. However, this game it feels a lot more like he is simply moving around looking for who to lynch moreso than the above strategy. This latter is a scum-tactic more than not. A HUGE caveat here is that Link is a notoriously difficult read for me, and we have a fairly colorful history of interactions in games we both participate. When I saw kaempfer essentially have a similar read on Link I had a little bell ring in my head that maybe my thought was on to something. But even just typing through this I recall a few role madness or role-heavy setups I have played in with and read real-time on Link vacillating around in the POE while being town. This is probably my longest ever slight read on a player... but for now Link has a wolfy vibe for me so far but sadly I feel as several have stated (Sub, myself, Link?) already that Link is still in range of both his town and scum ranges.

A follow-up post will attempt to gather my thoughts on reads/slots so far this game...
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297132#msg1297132
« Reply #261 on: May 24, 2020, 04:29:54 am »
Switching my vote from rob to Sub until he can offer something more than a cliffhanger. Also makes it so the tally isn't so far back

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Ultimately I'm going to vote for whomever moe votes for, since he has a better read on this than I do

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297133#msg1297133
« Reply #262 on: May 24, 2020, 05:31:09 am »
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Read below please. I fancy a vote on Sub or Ge0, but stronger read right now on Sub (again, read all below please)

Ge0 - you going to vote Sub? What's your read on him, and/or reaction to my read on Sub??


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kae - he has had some takes that come across as real solving attempts that fit the stage of the game
shock - a few reasons... I'm a tad uncomfortable typing them directly here

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MW - his posting today reads like a person really trying to think through the game... like he is typing in the thread without having had other conversations (as a scum would likely be doing in a scum chat). For example, I feel confident that the scum this game would not post in here without being up to speed on the rob-N0-coffee-shot and how Oty works etc (this post leans me a town direction from MW)

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DC - basically only $#@!posting so far... which I recall from past DC/q games is NAI
kdz - not even enough content to remember he is playing unless I'm looking at the player list

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timpa - very blaise posting so far, minimally at that. I know he has a mind and capability to exceed his input / solving so far and if town I expect to see it. scum timpa could be simply put off by not needing to solve so lacking WIM. These are VERY loose aspects to read from, hence some negative comments but just an n- read.

Link - see my prior wall post... seems a bit more likely to not be his more solve-y town Link. still miles to go to develop this though
iancu - the incomplete reads list, he did mention only skimming but the omission of a few players with plenty of posts and more than some he DID read pings my senses (he omitted kae and MW??)

Cal - I really don't like the way he goes to policy, and bad play lynch approach in order to vote me, but reading over the stuff in his posts so far it actually reads like he really just believes that is a fair set of reasons to lynch a player (they aren't by the way). Given his replies and vote/etc. with Sub I really don't see any w/w with Sub (who is a strong scumread for me right now).

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Annele - the initial approach she took to scumread me for my N0 felt awkwardly aimed at me... however, the back-down after some explanations occurred felt a little more genuine. A bit "off" feeling to me that the backdown came so easy after so much shade (as a ratio of her total posts, to those shading me). It does though seem possible this is how she approaches reads, but need to see more to feel better/stronger about reading her play.

Torb - I find his initial push on me to be stronger than his reasons would/should normally portend, that is a bit like he set out wanting to scumread me and then filled in the take/read. looking forward to reading his posts/reads following some of the posting that has gone on today. from today and re-reading he and I's exchanges I could see this possibly being a v/v clash of style or misunderstood statements/actions (that is, he seemed in a re-read genuinely upset I had not fleshed out my reasoning or further detailed my N0 action process... I have since done that and look forward to seeing how he reacts to it, if he does) to say it a different way-- perhaps he is a very mechanical player who wants to be able to understand how other players make somewhat important game decisions and as of yet he hasn't arrived at that point with me+N0

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Ge0 - talking about how caught up he is; more talk about why he might appear to not be playing/solving much and a way wish-washy meandering around his read on me at a time when it felt in the thread (at least to me) like I might become a wagon - like he wants to hedge why he jumps on later should I become a good ML target; suddenly has townreads on the Deja-claiming duo and having gone from thinking my play is likely towny because he "can't help but think that there's no way Rob would draw so much attention to him right off the bat if he was scum" to voting me as scummy b/c of that same misplay and because I gave scumreads of Annele/Serp/TorB???
^-- I find all of these things at least a bit scummy or more.

Sub - reading the thread and Sub's posts I get a sense of wolf-losing-WIM due to 'reasons', whereas the last part of today I get a sense in the thread of things developing that might actually benefit town simultaneous with Sub losing his Want-It-More (WIM).
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297134#msg1297134
« Reply #263 on: May 24, 2020, 05:32:23 am »
D'oh, EBWOP:

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