Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[kaempfer13]

well, an angleshooting argument could be made that if you have a secondary result of deja vu prior to playerOa's announcement obv no mafia has gotten the deja vu role yet.

[MasterWalks]

as you cant be deja vu with him and not question serps claim as there is only at most one group of deja vus (stated in op)

Serp-I have no reason to not believe his coded message
Moe- See serp

i simply have no reason not to believe him. And your role read on me tells me i did on okay job at my soft claim.

I also don't like the vibes off shock's messages but its strictly a gut feel.

This is a totally normal gut feeling with everything shock says both in and outside of mafia. Dont look into what he says too hard or youll descend in madness. I think i can speak for the majority when i say that.

[Linkcat]

No, it's not. If you have an information role then stay in the background and collect as much of it as possible, don't draw attention to yourself. You didn't even do anything helpful.

How not? I guess i can run around in circles with rob, you, and sub but i would rather try to provide some hard evidence. My role is not a great one but there is no reason for me to hold any information. If i die then that information goes with me.

Normally im not killed early. People see me as too disruptive to town to kill me. But with rob running around munching everthing i do not know when ill die. Might as well get out what i can while i can. If it paints a target, then so be it. My role is not important enough that ill probably save the NK from someone more important if i do get hit with it.

Now, i want your full list of reads. Youve been highly active with an opinion on everything said (nothing out of the ordinary), so lets see your info in basic form.

There we go, now that's the play I want to see.

vv
serp
moe

v
Torb - Super genuine approach so far

n+
MW - Your play doesn't make much sense as mafia

n
Everyone else - they haven't given me enough to work with.

n-
Annele - See my big post a couple pages back
Geo - Same as Annele He voted while I was typing this, moved to n
rob - You know why
kdz - Lurking, he does this more as mafia than town
shock - Too quiet

[kaempfer13]

as you cant be deja vu with him and not question serps claim as there is only at most one group of deja vus (stated in op)

Serp-I have no reason to not believe his coded message
Moe- See serp

i simply have no reason not to believe him. And your role read on me tells me i did on okay job at my soft claim.

I also don't like the vibes off shock's messages but its strictly a gut feel.

This is a totally normal gut feeling with everything shock says both in and outside of mafia. Dont look into what he says too hard or youll descend in madness. I think i can speak for the majority when i say that.

Just to be sure, I want you to know that a psion getting a guardian angel result doesnt mean anything about the targets alignement. I'm a little concerned this might be going on, as people wrongly assuming such let to mobian living as mafia much longer than he should've in the mafia game before I started playing.

[MasterWalks]

I am aware of what my role tells me.

[serprex]

fyi shock went out of town for a couple days

[kaempfer13]

ok, I get whats going on then

[kaempfer13]

so basically we regard moe, shock, serp as confirmed and either watch in horror as the mafia kills them 1 by 1 or try to solve the game while they are still around. Pretty wastefull to make that public this early, but it does make our PoE a lot smaller.

[iancudorinmarian]

I kinda skimmed through posts. So I guess it's time to make up my own list.

vv - deja vu's. Impossible (?) to counterclaim
serp
moe

v
rob - I really think he's just town fate egg and didn't want to "waste" his ability. Arguably a bad decision, but I  don't think he's mafia.

n+
TorB - similar playstyle as last time I played with him.

n
Linkcat - Probably hardest person to read for me, so better players will have to keep an eye up for slip-ups.
Sub - Bad plans as usual.

n-
shock - I agree, he's too quiet. Although he could just be bored. Out of town, apparently

Fixing vote count. Also, probably not voting today.

rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, serprex, Ge0metry v1.2
MasterWalks (1) - DoubleCapitals
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - rob77dp
Submachine (1) - Calindu

[MasterWalks]

so basically we regard moe, shock, serp as confirmed and either watch in horror as the mafia kills them 1 by 1 or try to solve the game while they are still around. Pretty wastefull to make that public this early, but it does make our PoE a lot smaller.

I will be very very surprised is mafia kills shock. Shock helps mafia more alive than dead.

Moe and serp while can be "considered as town confirmed" dont have ultra powerful roles and would be killed just beacuse they are our "confirmed" town, which honestly helps us since their roles werent going to and the NK is saved from more important people.

i dont think we should hard confirm anybody. We should just keep this information in mind when voting and discussing. serp could be lying, we havent even got confirmation from Moe and i dont think he should confirm.

My question is, is Lynching rob the best move (honest question)? If he flips town, almost all conversations this phase were a waste and we lose a powerful role, whether that be oty or egg.
If we dont lynch rob, who do we lynch? doing a no lynch is probably the worst thing we can do, and we need some pretty hard evidence to get everyone to jump on a different lynch.

[serprex]

Oty is one use btw

[MasterWalks]

Oh didnt realize that!

The hes not Oty.

If he wasted an OU on N0 then he is mafia or not Oty. And even as mafia, he coulda saved that for later unless their gameplan is to bumrush the game