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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297014#msg1297014
« Reply #156 on: May 22, 2020, 10:23:07 pm »
A question came to my mind: Why haven't Coffee used Divine Shield on the first night?
I prepared a whole train of thought, collected a bunch of quotes, but then I realized the answer to my question is simple, so all that was for nothing.
Coffee did not use Divine Shield to protect himself, because he has not been online since signups. That is also why he hasn't posted.

I agree with promoting activity and discouraging inactivity, yet I cannot stop feeling conflicted. :-\ I would have waited at least until the next night.

Do I think rob is Mafia? For two reasons, no.

  • I performed a Night 1 shot as Town in Mafia 50. I can relate.
  • This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.




I clearly hinted at my pending action.
Just to save some page turning, I compiled what I found about the topic.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Anything at all going to come from Coffee? Coffee- do plan to just inactive three phases and be MK again? Like a bad lunch, inactive doesn't sit well with me. At least all others have "check-in posted" this phase.....
What is the prevailing thought on inactives? I tried to start up that discussion but it got no traction yet...
It’s N0, there is no inactives so soon. 10 pages on N0, when we have no information, imagine
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Disagree... You're meaning to argue the definition of inactive not to be able to blanket state there are no inactives on a N0. We have plenty of discussion happening about rule usage ideas so it seems pertinent to be interested in whether we expect all players are present and paying attention. No?



Sh**, I almost forgot about deadline >_>

Because of the whole I don't check my role ordeal, I doubt I was a primary healing target, so I want to dump some guidance in case I bite the dust. :(

  • Just because someone attracts a bunch of attention, that does not equal lynch target. Activity leads to more activity. Punishment of activity is bad. Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway.
  • Put up an RQS about how others behave when they are mafia, and ask them to provide examples. This is a good way to spot some dishonest players, or it brings attention to some stuff that puts pressure on Mafs.
  • Focus on how much the others try to solve, and in the end, put a higher Town lean on people with higher solve rate, or people with more posts in general.

Bad parts in yellow.
It is only appropriate that I don't ignore parts that relate to me.

Quote: "Because of this, even if rob or Link say something outrageous, keep them alive please. They are most likely town if they are active, anyway."

To explain a little, I have memories of bad lynches that were based on outrage, and not on logic. I used invisi text, and they lynched me. *flips town* Link joked about being a cop while not being a cop, and they lynched him. *flips town* Shock tried valid strategies that involved lying to a few people, and they lynched him. *flips town*

This kind of mislynch was #10 on the MU list iirc, this is what I wanted to advise against. But I also wanted to imply that I only want to keep these people alive "longer", but not indefinitely. Hopefully, by the endgame, all town with lower activity is cleared out by either making them contribute more or by executing them.

Quote: "or people with more posts in general."

I would also link this back to a memory. Mafia 50: One of two people was 100% mafia, but I was unsure which one of them. Rutarete was silent all game, then came out on the last day to say that Ginyu is mafia. Ginyu, on the other hand, has been contributing all game. Thanks to my quick thinking, I realized the chance that Ruta might be Mafia and lying. Ginyu's only redeeming quality was that he's been helping to create ideas and spark conversations all game, and at that point, the person with more posts was, in fact, the good guy. And this seems true for other games as well, but this is the one memory that sticks out to me, because I was heavily involved in it.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297015#msg1297015
« Reply #157 on: May 22, 2020, 10:27:15 pm »
I see more people addressed me, but do excuse me if I only respond to them tomorrow. :-X
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297016#msg1297016
« Reply #158 on: May 22, 2020, 10:48:58 pm »
A question came to my mind: Why haven't Coffee used Divine Shield on the first night?
I prepared a whole train of thought, collected a bunch of quotes, but then I realized the answer to my question is simple, so all that was for nothing.
Coffee did not use Divine Shield to protect himself, because he has not been online since signups. That is also why he hasn't posted.

I agree with promoting activity and discouraging inactivity, yet I cannot stop feeling conflicted. :-\ I would have waited at least until the next night.

Do I think rob is Mafia? For two reasons, no.

  • I performed a Night 1 shot as Town in Mafia 50. I can relate.
  • This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.

1. To be fair, there was a mafia egging you on to make that kill.  ;)
2. He absolutely would, see my reasoning earlier. He won't get lynched for it.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297018#msg1297018
« Reply #159 on: May 23, 2020, 01:43:33 am »
To those wondering out loud or still to themselves... I think Link is right, I'm still probably within my range as either alignment so far this game. Also struggling to get in a mindset that seems to fit with role madness game type- I'm much more at home vanilla setups.

Need players to post more or have some sort of content to parse and try to read\analyze. Feels like plenty of straw grasping so far.

COULD REALLY USE MORE PLAYERS posting reads of my play so far... Other than www3 dying N0 as town cop it is there most eventful action so far...
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297019#msg1297019
« Reply #160 on: May 23, 2020, 01:59:52 am »
Waking up at 4 am to say:
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt town
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297020#msg1297020
« Reply #161 on: May 23, 2020, 03:23:23 am »
Waking up at 4 am to say:
I'll eat my shoe if sub isnt town

Sorry, but Sub does the same shit when he's mafia. You're not going to get a concrete read on him this early. Besides, you don't have the best record on bets that involve eating things.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297021#msg1297021
« Reply #162 on: May 23, 2020, 04:01:57 am »
...

Do I think rob is Mafia? For two reasons, no.

  • This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.

...

Care to elaborate? Finding it a bit difficult to imagine that scum would not have the balls to be innovative, not necessarily here but trying something unconventional in the hopes of relying on prior expectations of this forum to get away with it.

However, personally I can buy rob's explanation and he does lean town because from my understanding, scum would at least save Otyugh to try to snipe something powerful/surprise people to reach parity rather than burn it without taking a almost-blind shot.



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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297022#msg1297022
« Reply #163 on: May 23, 2020, 04:03:06 am »
Alright guys, this is getting boring. Geo, kdz, calin, shock, Annele, moe, you guys all have less than 5 posts. You're hurting town. I'm going to need all of you to vote on your strongest scumread and give reasoning. And no, saying you don't have any reads yet is not helpful. Look deeper.

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Reasoning given in a previous post.

See, it's that easy. Now, I'm going to go to sleep soon, and I want to see a lot more than 3 votes when I wake up. Then I'll decide who we're lynching.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297024#msg1297024
« Reply #164 on: May 23, 2020, 04:15:44 am »
iancudorinmarian (1) - serprex
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throwing my vote here then until MW responds to him seemingly FoSing ian (the gaslight comment) for what I can tell was just N0 banter
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297026#msg1297026
« Reply #165 on: May 23, 2020, 04:33:16 am »
  • This bold stunt is not something an organized mafia would ever DARE to do in this community. And if rob would be part of it, it would be organized mafia.
If a good player that does that seems too smart to do something so stupid, people end up misplaying in response. Like not lynching him. This can be taken advantage of by said player.

Seriously, I can almost not believe rob would be that stupid, he has at least one town tunneling him right now, whereas his expected scenario would simply have modkilled Coffee. Instead, we now have one dead town and people focussing on rob. This only benefits mafia right now, unless rob is mafia and ends up dead.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297027#msg1297027
« Reply #166 on: May 23, 2020, 04:49:19 am »
Mmmmm, there you go torb. Shade me hard there. Are you going to vote me though or just shade? Feels scummy to me. That's your second post shading without voting... I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.

I'm going to actually vote my scumread though.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297028#msg1297028
« Reply #167 on: May 23, 2020, 04:51:34 am »
I'm not familiar with your playstyle but I do enjoy making a read off how I get read by others.
I shoot down anyone with logical fallacies. Your ability usage takes the cake so far.

 

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