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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297820#msg1297820
« Reply #912 on: May 27, 2020, 04:25:06 pm »
Limited Night EON1 availability... I am following posts best I can. I have action submitted. Not all that exciting though.
if it is an exciting role then consider me onboard with the developed plan. (Everything feels unexciting next to a N0 Oty roll)
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297822#msg1297822
« Reply #913 on: May 27, 2020, 04:40:44 pm »
I think there's a high likelihood that myself or Ge0 dies tonight. I'm going to post my top mafia reads. I suspect if I die mafia will manipulate that to throw shade onto others, so ignore that.


Most likely mafia in my opinion (from most likely to least likely)

1.) rob - otyugh kill N1 has much more reward coming from a mafia than a town, especially when mafia has the option to cast it off as an "optimal town move" and especially when they can use fate egg as an excuse. We don't even know if rob is fate egg. Additionally, we have a lot of questionable vote changes and reads from him. Let's be honest here, this guy had a complete panic meltdown getting votes off Linkcat and trying to swap between Annele and andre. Nothing he's done so far has said town to me. If this guy is mafia otyugh and gets away with just devouring N0 on the most inactive player, we're going to regret never lynching him. Let's not regret it.

2.) Linkcat - Linkcat was the first one to vote on rob, andretimpa, and Annele and has started conversations to get all of them lynched. There have been many deflections by him to other players when people get suspicious of players like rob. I honestly think he started voting rob early to avoid suspicion later and then switched to players like andre and Annele who are less active and easy to prey upon. Linkcat also is certain that there is 1-2 mafia among myself, kaempfer, and Annele when I think that there are 0 mafia here. Also town reads players like sub, rob, etc. who are far from confirmed.Additionally, he starts suspecting players like Calindu and kdz as very likely mafia. Before this point, I was the only one calling them out as very likely mafia. Is this a setup so that when I get Night Killed and flip town, Linkcat has a very easy pathway to pushing these players while looking town himself? Especially if I'm wrong and Calindu/kdz are town, this looks like a great set up for mafia victory.

3.) TheonlyrealBeef - the no vote obvious graboid thing just looks like a great reason to stay out of the spotlight. Also started a ridiculous back and forth with kaempfer, that really only served to distract everyone else and get kaempf to mess up somewhere along the line. Contributions to town have been little to nothing. Had a very interesting take on rob's N0 devour.

4.) KDZ - Hard to read, and feigns low activity/inexperience. Could be accurate, could also be a mafia setting themselves up to go the distance before gaining any attention. Can't say, but if Coffeeditto was really the best devour target N0, then this is likely one of our best lynch targets as well for the same reasoning.

5.) Calindu - Makes one post, disappears. Votes on andre early on, disappears. Responds to specific question aimed at Calindu, disappears. Very easily an under the radar mafia. My stance is moving towards town though after the latest interaction between Calindu and Linkcat. Not going to rule out both being mafia though.
Calin, if the mafia team is who I think it is then you actually played the best out of all of them, you just ended up in the bottom half of the POE due to mechanical reasons.

But you are wrong, that's the main problem, not sure what the mechanical reasons are, but please put them forward so I can debunk them.
Also, if me flipping town makes you change your whole view, then please just lynch me next so you actually have a winning chance.

6.) MW - He's said a lot of things that just don't make sense. I don't want to underestimate his ability to be so confused, but something here is off. I also don't like his voting patterns. The only thing that says town to me is that he voted on Linkcat and stayed on Linkcat for so long before then switching off to andre. I have a hard time seeing that action occur if he's mafia, but again, I have no idea what's going on with this noob.

7.) Double Capitals - mostly memes. Is neutral read on most players. What more could you want as a mafia? However, DC's two mafia scenarios makes a lot of sense to me, and was the line of thought I've had this entire time. In fact, I'm almost too worried about how much our thoughts align. DC also made a previous comment on how crazy it would be for both rob and Linkcat to be mafia. But then we see them both as mafia in DC's 2nd most likely scenario. Where did this sudden revelation come from?
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297823#msg1297823
« Reply #914 on: May 27, 2020, 04:42:42 pm »
I forgot ian. He's probably #5 on my list between Calindu and kdz.  :o
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297824#msg1297824
« Reply #915 on: May 27, 2020, 05:04:34 pm »

5.) Calindu - Makes one post, disappears. Votes on andre early on, disappears. Responds to specific question aimed at Calindu, disappears. Very easily an under the radar mafia. My stance is moving towards town though after the latest interaction between Calindu and Linkcat. Not going to rule out both being mafia though.

That's just how I always play, check Mafia 71, aside from chat discussion I contributed really little early on and pretty much just responded to specific questions or requests related to me. It's when I actually got more information, especially through my role, that I started being more confident and useful.
Also, like I said, I've been quite busy these days, had a deadline yesterday, have a deadline in 2 days, very hard to put more effort than I'm putting in right now.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297826#msg1297826
« Reply #916 on: May 27, 2020, 06:20:55 pm »
Spoiler for lol:
Unless Link steps up his memeing, we got the funniest post of the thread already

No past experience, but...

It depends on the roles. For the sake of argument we'll say me & one of my allies both rolled Oty. Yeah, great scum roles, this is great, not to mention it gets better when we troll worldwideqq & he flips GN. So next I risk MK to fake claim deja with my fellow oty. What if there's real dejas you ask? YOLO. As confirmed town I'm free to play scummy under the guise of pressuring town. So I'd totally fluster one of the better players around to keep him annoyed that town is throwing the game. Meanwhile I'd ally with the craziest player in the group in order to make people have to risk brain damage from confirmed town telling them to play with this player. Also it'd mean I'd have a perfect reason to bandwagon on the towniest players, come D2 nobody has any clue what's going on. Everyone skipped checking me & my ally's deja claim because NK is supposed to prove it. We're both still alive. No problem, mafia obviously wanted to get fate egg of the table when they have the lead off the GN kill & no lynch. Next night we still don't go, but it makes sense, towny player was protected night before, this night the towny player we failed to bandwagon goes down. It isn't until D4 that people are getting suspicious. By now the roles are coming out though, who needs to kill vanilla players who keep trolling the rest of town?

Accept it sub, you've already lost if I'm scum. So you'll just have to townread me as your only hope. Only it's hopeless, because you've already lost

@RQS I try to play closely to as I would as town. My early game is not too exciting as I take a while to make sense out of the white noise. As more info gets in I try to either contribute a lot or get behind someone that is contributing a lot and whose reads look accurate to me (this depends mostly on how much time I have in my hands). The main difference is that as scum I have a team to coordinate with (still I think keeping a more or less independent line of thought is very useful).
My last game here as scum was the sweep rob refers to (#61)

I'm still forming an opinion on kaemp. On one hand, looking closely at his D1 shows some moves that would imo be bad plays as town (mostly his interactions with MW and torb). However his recent claim about shock's role + shock not even acknowledging it but kaemp still being a town read for shock doesn't add up (unless they are w/w, but that seems a stretch).

I'll post an ISO on him when I get the chance, to articulate what I mean better.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297829#msg1297829
« Reply #917 on: May 27, 2020, 06:50:24 pm »
Problem is that when Psion fails, it does not confirm anything, especially if I were mafia. I might be immaterial, guarded by a warden or even be a Seraph. Mafia can even dirty me on purpose if I'm town by role-blocking others trying to Psion me, though they'd probably rather protect someone from Otyugh, if they even have a Warden.

serprex is hoping I evolve to see the Shrieker role. Dunno if I feel like it, though.

That along with me agreeing on the latest kae/TorB discussion I also don't want him to unborrow. There are too many obvious NK targets that give mafia a decent chance to shiv one of them. Even if there is town GA.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297830#msg1297830
« Reply #918 on: May 27, 2020, 06:56:39 pm »
RQS:
1: I'd be more active or use mafia chat to be kept in the loop to post more.
2/3: no  mafia games from me.

That or I'd copycat serp's masterplan.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297831#msg1297831
« Reply #919 on: May 27, 2020, 07:06:23 pm »
Day 2

Spoiler for Lore:
Time to slay. It is a new day.

moehrpi was nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Deja Vu.


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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297833#msg1297833
« Reply #920 on: May 27, 2020, 07:07:01 pm »
I already saw it coming.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297834#msg1297834
« Reply #921 on: May 27, 2020, 07:08:32 pm »
aw I was hoping to play scum for awhile longer

Here's an excerpt from moe's last words: "TorB should vote tomorrow btw. Regardless if I said he should stay buried."

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297835#msg1297835
« Reply #922 on: May 27, 2020, 07:09:35 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1297836#msg1297836
« Reply #923 on: May 27, 2020, 07:10:31 pm »
RIP moehrpi :(

I hardclaim Shrieker, I am no longer burrowed and will vote this day.

My plan was to Evolve all along with the pm already sent, so it was indeed not a change of plans. I just did not want mafia to know that.

 

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