Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[TheonlyrealBeef]

TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.

I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia  you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.

Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.

[kaempfer13]

MW, there is a chance shock didnt target me after all

ok. I didnt think i implied he did. im just comfortable believing his townreads atm.

I hope this means you understand?

Nope. Dont understand. Dont know what im supposed to be trying to understand.
I thought the speed of my role was different. I double chekced, asked a question, and now i understand it. I falsely made a pretty hard claim earlier in my reads regarding you and shock. Now that i know my roles speed, i explained honestly and back peddled on my claims as shown here:

My flip on shock and kae is a result of me rereading roles and which ones are faster. In fact, after getting a mod question answered, my town read on shock has lessened and my town read on kaempf has improved.

Now im not GN obv so im not 100% sure you are town, and frankly, your short cryptic messages and role reading me are making me feel less confident about my read on you.

Ok, I give up trying to parse this. the reason I'm being so cryptic is because I don't want more roles to be revealed (you pretty much revealed what your role does, so no use trying to hide it now (I'm by no means encouraging a full claim)) and one of the following things happened:
- I missunderstood shock
- You missunderstood your role (tbf you pretty much admit to that)
- You missunderstood shocks role

[kaempfer13]

TorB, a thing you have to understand about mafia is that normally lynch and nk alternate. The latter will always hit a town. The former usually doesnt have that much better odds than random to hit a mafia. If you have one shot that you have to use immediately or lose it, shooting at random has effectively a better chance of hitting a mafia member per death created than the lynch, as the lynch requires a nightkill to have occured before and usually people arent that amazing at hitting mafia with the lynch.

I'm saying this now, because in both etg and the last mafia  you used too basically think the same I did (just better) and this time we somehow seem to have fairly different opinions about robs action, and that made me suspicious of you until identified that that seems to be the source of our disagreement.

Thank you for trying to step up and protect rob with your out of tone post. I was already considering you both for mafia, but this practically confirms it for me.

Well, you are wrong about at least one thing.
Besides I wouldnt panic that much over rob (in the obv nonexistent world of us w/w) now considering the votecount.

Anyway, what would you have done if you were fate egg and rolled oty (it's gone the next night). from what i am gathering you would have holstered? I'm not the only one that can explain to you why thats a mistake as either alignement.

[MasterWalks]

rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (3) - Calindu, serprex, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks

Everything you said in the last 2 pages have left a sour taste. TORB brings up a good point about you defending rob a little too much, especially this late only because you think he thinks different than you now. Maybe my confidence is misplaced and shock is wrong. Weird of you to try to sway me from him when my trust in him is what made me town read you.

[Linkcat]

People who talk about "genuineness" of posts lose credibility with me. In particular I didn't like kae's "Linkcat is sus" post. He'd probably be n for me if that post hadn't happened

Tone reads may not fit your playstyle, but they are a legit thing.

[serprex]

Switching my vote from Sub to kaempf. Doesn't really make sense to be voting with my least towny reads on someone I'm n+ on

I agree with kaempf's logic re always using devour as fate egg

rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex

[andretimpa]

Fixing votes (I had removed my vote from MW some posts ago)

rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex

[kaempfer13]

Switching my vote from Sub to kaempf. Doesn't really make sense to be voting with my least towny reads on someone I'm n+ on

I agree with kaempf's logic re always using devour as fate egg

rob77dp (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
Submachine (2) - Calindu, rob77dp
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, Annele, DoubleCapitals
MasterWalks(1) - andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, serprex

Hey, this vote is not supposed to determine who has the best logic

[Linkcat]

Right, otherwise I'd be in the lead.

[serprex]

People who talk about "genuineness" of posts lose credibility with me. In particular I didn't like kae's "Linkcat is sus" post. He'd probably be n for me if that post hadn't happened

Tone reads may not fit your playstyle, but they are a legit thing.

Could you post this in a more genuine way? Your tone is very n- for me here

[serprex]

To explain less tongue in cheek:

Tone reads are lazy. They're a lead. Follow it & bring something material/falsifiable to the table. If the person you're reading flips, what does it say about you? Or clear up for you? In the case of tone reads, nothing

So they aren't substantial. They're a form of giving reads while being able to stay neutral. You aren't committed to explain why you might rescind a tone read

Do they have a place? Sure. But they better be good, used sparingly, & backed up with other good stuff. That hasn't been my experience with kaempf this game

[Linkcat]

Hey, I reserve the right to express myself ingenuously. Stop oppressing me.