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kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1968 on:** June 11, 2020, 10:37:17 am »

Spoiler for Lynchlog:

Spoiler for Day1:

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seeing shock in green sure changes perspective

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1969 on:** June 11, 2020, 10:44:18 am »

I'll extend Subs case on andre by pointing out who pretty much cant be fate egg:
Proven by shock:
myself: crusader who didnt use his ability; insanely stupid if fe
Annele: viewed as otyugh and used that ability in a different night
Ge0: claimed Gotp and was found to still be gotp on the following night

Others:
Calindu: used adrenaline twice in a row on shriekers (technically someone else could have done the adrenalining, but I'm sure they would have cced)
MW: I dont think i neeed to get into that.
Sub: fully aware of crossing streams with other dragonflies and breadcrumped his role; I havent looked into it deeply enough to fully disprove egg, but cmon people it was andre that used anubis on serp.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1970 on:** June 11, 2020, 10:46:42 am »

Pretty much everyone should be seeing this at this stage:

Spoiler for Lynchlog:

Spoiler for Day1:

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Calindu · « **Reply #1971 on:** June 11, 2020, 01:40:27 pm »

Quote from: killsdazombies on June 09, 2020, 04:49:08 pm

Congrats mate! Its been a slow night, and I doubt there is much for you to look over here. Just rest and wait for EoD. Again, congrats ^^

Thank you, really appreciate it.

Quote from: killsdazombies on June 09, 2020, 06:59:33 pm

Cali - I would like your opinion and reads, especially on kae who is now a central issue

MW is technically the only person I trust, and andre is the only person I scumread because of mechanics, all others are 50/50 on being mafia/town in my eyes.

Annele (1) - Ge0metry v1.2
andretimpa (5) - Annele, Submachine, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, Calindu

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1972 on:** June 11, 2020, 02:00:11 pm »

Spoiler for Hidden:

This is the relevant part about Annele on EoD1. The chances of Annele being selected as a bus when timpa was already in danger, and Linkcats wagon was completely pure unless annele was scum are astronomically low. 2+scum tried to kill her at EoD1 and the messages of timpa and ian at EoD imply "hey, another wagon we can cause a misslynch on, with rob giving us the perfect excuse to not look scummy while doing so" more so than "shit they got us, let's just bus as hard as possible".

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1973 on:** June 11, 2020, 02:01:31 pm »

EBWOP: Linkcats wagon d1 was in fact completely pure unlesss annele was scum, so there is absolutely no reason to bus her this hard for timpa+ian

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1974 on:** June 11, 2020, 02:03:05 pm »

So fmpov its obvious that Annele is town, even if her posting isnt exactly stellar.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1975 on:** June 11, 2020, 02:04:14 pm »

just gotta find one more town and I'd be surprised if it werent Sub that I'd find town based on votehistory as well

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1976 on:** June 11, 2020, 02:16:04 pm »

So that leaves me with:

Spoiler for kaevision:

Spoiler for Day1:

Spoiler for Day2:

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Technically I'm already convinced its cal+ge0, but I'll have a look at this with the information that I consider basically fact at this point.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1977 on:** June 11, 2020, 02:24:44 pm »

huh, calindu just sat on andre until EoD1, knowing full well that he might not be able to change his vote until EoD and voting andre when he wasnt quite in the lead yet. That does look kinda good for him.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #1978 on:** June 11, 2020, 02:27:27 pm »

There was also no scum trying to save Calindu day 2 and in fact andre trying to kill him. maybe i was wrong?

Submachine · « **Reply #1979 on:** June 11, 2020, 04:19:08 pm »

We already scrutinized ian's posts, so it's timpa's turn.

Quote from: andretimpa on May 23, 2020, 01:47:11 pm

rob, torb, serp and Anelle are coming of a bit suspicious, but I'll see where things go a bit longer before casting a vote.

Here, all people he listed are known to be town except Annele. Ian wasn't the only one pushing her. This makes me feel stronger about Annele being town.

Quote from: andretimpa on May 25, 2020, 09:54:37 pm

Quote from: TheonlyrealBeef on May 25, 2020, 09:53:29 pm
Does that mean you don't think Link is scum?
I'd rather lynch Anelle tbh

Same point as before.

Quote from: andretimpa on May 28, 2020, 04:23:30 am

In a vacuum these look either like kaemp is scum and is slipping in some parts or he's town and needs to learn to be a bit more discrete. (around n-). However together with the EOD it makes him my strongest scum lean.

I'll be doing Anelle tomorrow (should be quicker at least).

This post makes kae look better. Andre was apparently scumreading him, plus it was quite a lengthy wall he made of him. (I only copied his conclusion.)
And after this post, he proceeded to vote on kae, making his train 5v3, interestingly, in Annele's favor.

And here is his condensed readlist:

Quote from: andretimpa on May 29, 2020, 03:48:07 am

Okay, I'm caught up - here is my read list so far

v
MW

Spoiler for reasons:
I'm having an aneurism trying to understand how someone backed by a team would be making these types of mistakes. I was scumreading him before, but for now I'm more convinced that he's just an incompetent townie (can very easily change depending on how people flip)

n+
Ge0

Spoiler for reasons:
I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt about being new, but I expect more content on the next days, or he'll be going down in the list. What he has post so far has been on the neutral side

ian/kdz/DC

Spoiler for reasons:
Not enough content to get a read. This better change soon.

Sub

Spoiler for reasons:
I really don't understand his style so far, but apparently that's his normal. Will have to try to get a read of him out of votes I guess

Cal
Spoiler for reasons:
This is just an association read with torb. Apart from the Green Nymph stuff he hasn't posted much (which makes sense in retrospect as keeping low due to his role + IRL work)

Annele
Spoiler for reasons:
After rereading her D1 stuff and the rest of the things she posted I think I might have been a bit hasty with my previous scum read. The most damning avidence against her is the way EOD1 developped (which I admit I don't know how to make a good read of). So I'm moving her from w to n- until more evidence shows up.

w
kaemp

Spoiler for reasons:
See my previous post

Quote from: andretimpa on May 29, 2020, 07:09:05 pm

Annele (2) - DoubleCapitals, iancudorinmarian
kaempfer13 (2) - Ge0metry v1.2, Annele
Linkcat (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13
Calindu (4) - rob77dp, Linkcat, MasterWalks, serprex
Shockcannon(1) - killsdazombies

removing my vote for now - shaking between Cal and Nel

When the two leading wagons became Link and Calindu, Linkcat and rob yelled at him that kae is town. As a result, andre removed his vote from Kae, claiming to place it on Calindu or Annele (Annele was not even a top wagon??). Annele was not even on the plate, and one of the two people voting on her was his mafia buddy. Eventually, he put his vote on Calindu.

If Calindu and timpa are both mafia, this would be a weird parellel between ian wanting to lynch timpa on EOD1 and this. I find the sudden focus on Annele strange. And switching his vote off from his only "scumread" was weird too. I take it back that it makes kae look good, it could have been some verbal bussing. But it does make Annele look a lot better.

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