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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298957#msg1298957
« Reply #1884 on: June 07, 2020, 05:29:21 am »
www3 told me to post chat under penalty of death, but I didnt think this was anything of value. I was just trying to idly converse with MW and Rob over the sheer fucking chaos of this game.
[01:00:50] ‹killsdazombies› What a fun mafia game this is
[01:01:55] ‹killsdazombies› I myself am not sure If i'm using fun ironically though lmao
[01:02:08] ‹killsdazombies› or i guess sarcastically
[01:21:51] ‹worldwideweb3› ‹@killsdazombies› post in thread or by the power of deadpad I shall modkill you : :devil:
[01:24:33] ‹killsdazombies› Oh lmao I just did ww3
[01:24:40] ‹killsdazombies› I didn't even see your stuff I had been mulling things over
[01:25:01] ‹killsdazombies› God I wish I was a part of the deadpad
[01:25:29] ‹killsdazombies› Obv i don't envy your entire situation www3, being dead and all as the cop
[01:25:47] ‹killsdazombies› But I hate making choices in text mafia. I feel so naked.
[01:26:02] ‹killsdazombies› Maybe I should just be drinking for all of these posts...
[01:26:17] ‹worldwideweb3› (As in I meant post the mafia stuff u typed in chat in thread )
[01:26:34] ‹killsdazombies› Oh?
[01:26:44] ‹killsdazombies› Is that worth posting?
[01:26:46] ‹killsdazombies› Okay sure

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298958#msg1298958
« Reply #1885 on: June 07, 2020, 05:39:01 am »
@kdz

I'm down to lynch shock on principle alone.

No idea about annele. She should be lynched tomorrow night at the latest.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298959#msg1298959
« Reply #1886 on: June 07, 2020, 05:47:55 am »
Wait on principle of what?

And if shock flips town do you still support an annele lynch?

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298960#msg1298960
« Reply #1887 on: June 07, 2020, 06:36:26 am »
I'm going to bed, I'll be back before eod. This is all a lot to sift though. I really believe shock is town, and my gut is screaming to kill rob, but I believe shock lynch may be the safest way to approach today. Given anneles existence.

Idk, i guess tomorrow I'll wake up and see if my brain or my gut has reached a decision and post either way. Hopefully will be up at least 4 hours before eod.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298961#msg1298961
« Reply #1888 on: June 07, 2020, 10:15:48 am »
Ian was going to kill Annele. It’s not her. Stop acting like she’s a risk just because her role is otyugh. If I hadn’t revealed her role you guys wouldn’t be even factoring her in to the voting situation right now. She should be one of the highest town reads of everyone left in the game right now. Her role shouldn’t change. If just the fact that she is otyugh changes your opinion of her alignment, then you’re approaching the game the wrong way and it’s going to cost us.

What’s more valuable? Reading into her being mafia because she rolled otyugh as a role and isn’t as active as other players? Or looking at past voting and realizing that its highly unlikely her teammates were willing to just kill her off as the first lynch ever when there were plenty of other town players they could’ve gone after instead while still avoiding suspicion?



Lynching me off instead of rob because of the Annele situation is a safer play statistically. Except it’s not, because those odds change when there are very good reasons for Annele being town. So I highly suggest you simply look at if you trust me more or rob more and vote off that. If you think I’m more suspicious than vote me, but don’t vote me because you’re worried about Annele and want to play things as safe as possible. Play to win, don’t play to be scared.

Do you think fake claiming fate egg GN to save a potential mafia is a statistically good play? No, logically it sucks on extreme levels. But I took a gamble because I knew the mafia is much better at manipulating town when they go for the obvious play. I thought Linkcat was much more a threat than kaempf because he was a heavy player but one that was offering too much cover for players like rob and torb and sub to hide behind. In the same way, I’m worried about what’s going to happen if I get lynched. The remaining town players are not super active and don’t have a loud voice in this game. If rob is mafia, are you guys confident you can rally enough of the remaining town to take him out? Because he will without a doubt try to sway a couple of the weaker voters into believing that both me and rob could be town.


If We decide to lynch rob though and he flips town for some impossible reason, I won’t stop you guys from lynching me. Because I’ll just accept that I screwed up and take the hit. But you can already see rob trying to deflect things now and set up for his own safety even if I get lynched today and flip town. That should be a sign. Don’t believe his BS that both of us are town. ONE OF US HAS TO BE MAFIA BECAUSE ONE OF US IS THE ANUBIS.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298962#msg1298962
« Reply #1889 on: June 07, 2020, 10:21:47 am »
Oh btw, if you’re worried Andre lied and is the Anubis, well guess what, I can check to him tonight since I’m psion. Oh? You’re worried I could be a fate egg Anubis and lie about checking Andre? WELL THEN ANDRE ISNT THE ANUBIS!!!!! Come on people, stop ditching the logic for the feelings. Rob tries to mask emotional appeal as logic. Don’t be fooled.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298963#msg1298963
« Reply #1890 on: June 07, 2020, 11:20:24 am »
Will try to go through posts and give my thoughts over the next hour or so, but first, I need an 1-hour extension to have a good chance to be here at EoD.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298965#msg1298965
« Reply #1891 on: June 07, 2020, 12:22:12 pm »
Are we certain there is an Anubis?

No, I haven't heard of any other blocked abilities as far as I remember, so I'm pretty sure it was Fate Egg Anubis.


From this post, I think that ian seemed to buddy rob? Not sure.

The list of possible Anubises is not very long.
If I count that Annele cannot be Anubis and if I believe rob's reports, then only the following people can be it:

1. iancudorinmarian
12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
15. killsdazombies
18. Ge0metry v1.2

@MasterWalks: If you have seen one of these people target someone, please help to narrow the list.

AFAIK, shock has not said anything about his N1 action, so it is possible that he got Anubis from Fate Egg.
Found it. And the list is now even smaller.

12. andretimpa
14. shockcannon (Fate Egg)
18. Ge0metry v1.2

@shock: If I am correct about what you have in mind, I see no reason why you would not reveal what you found.

Add rob to that list and remove Ge0. Unless Ge0 and shock are both mafia, then he can't be Anubis.

1.) My role is Psion. I am not fate egg. I am not golden nymph. I am Psion. Here are my results:

N0 --> kaempfer13 (crusader - role had not been used yet since psion has lowest priority)
N1 --> moehrpi (deja vu - this was a wasted use but it only wastes 1 night and it's pretty much a guaranteed win if they ended up being mafia)
N2 --> Annele (Otyugh)
N3 --> Ge0 (Ghost of the Past)


This seems convenient as hell, I tell you that, the only role which you claimed to have seen before they were actually claimed was Annele's one. Also seems convenient that you targeted moe and not serp N1. You are either Egg or Psion based on you finding out Annele's role, but don't believe your finds can confirm you as Psion.

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Remember when I said rob was mafia back in day 1? Remember when I said rob was mafia back in day 2? Well serprex also thought he was mafia but somehow he just slips through the cracks. Anyways, this is the third, last, and most likely mafia Anubis in the game. He even said he would target serprex. Great excuse to justify his visit just in case there was a firefly or something on serprex. Conveniently uses the psion as a perfect scapegoat to justify visiting serprex only to give him immortality. We lost our most afk town N0 who no one would care if they died. Then our confirmed town gets immortality the same night our fate egg visits him? Like this isn't a coincidence folks. We have our mafia right here.

Stop using emotional reads when there are mechanical reads available. I'm sick of this "if rob is mafia then I deserve to lose. He has to be town." Rob is a good player. He knows how to trick you. But they slipped up. It can literally only be rob or Submachine as andretimpa is basically confirmed town due to ian's voting.

I said multiple times that I scumread rob, so I believe your points here are true, it's convenient that he visited serprex N1 as Psion and was serprex received Immortality the very same night.

(HINT: this is pro town activity, I'm trying to help town win here)

This is one of the funniest posts of the entire game, you don't need to tell us what is pro town activity this directly, everyone needs to decide for themselves based on everyone's posts.

4. You think I saved kae on day 2? He was dead meat on Day 2 as runaway lead wagon. Then _YOU_ came in with a claim of having GN'd him prior and that you KNOW he is town -- that is what saved kae ---- I did not save him, YOU did. You are quite literally 'blaming' me as the one who did what actually YOU did.

I agree with rob here, you saved kae, not anyone else.

In a world where rob used Anubis on serprex during N1 and claimed Psion, rob would most likely be mafia. But it is a world I am not quite ready to accept yet, so that is also why I went with the assumption that rob was truthful about his reports. I concede that my ATE influenced my mechanical PoE, but even though it is possible, I still think rob is the least likely to be the Anubis.

???

Why did you focus so much this game on Link and rob?

By the way shock, if I'm scum then pushing a wagon uphill with a rope like I've done on most all my cases this game is NOT how scum win a game when they are as visible and post-present as I am. Smart players will know this and if they're town take it into account as a TOWN activity. Of course, you'll do as you always do and simply choose to bury your head in your own world to play your own game, apparently. Cheers mate. By the way, I still think you're most likely town making terrible plays repeatedly.

Again with this type of post, telling us what is town activity and taking credit for doing it.

Then we would probably flip some PoE people. Timpa Cali Geo all come to mind

Why are you trivialising this end game so much? How the hell going by PoE randomly a good strategy at this point in the game? I believe you are town, I don't think a kdz/ian w/w thunderdome happened, but this seems like such a bad plan.

This is the last vote tally.

Linkcat (6) - shockcannon, Calindu, kaempfer13, serprex, TheonlyrealBeef, Killsdazombies

shock and kaempfer are vouching for each other (well, only kae was "cleared" by shock, but noone cleared shock), and serp is Vujatron, so my new top 3 scumreads are Calindu, TorB, and kdz.
Looking back at the final votes on Linkcat, my reads are now outdated. If only serprex and TorB are mech confirmed, and kdz is GN who helped find a mafia, then I think 1-2 mafia hides among shock, Calindu, and kaempfer.

If you keep thinking that mafia was on Link and the other wagon was mafia, then why not go hard after me? It's the only way your whole theory about mafia pushing the Linkcat lynch makes sense.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298966#msg1298966
« Reply #1892 on: June 07, 2020, 12:24:44 pm »
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu

Voting rob for now, I semi-believe andre's claim and that means that one of rob/shock made serprex Immortal. Not sure why rob keeps trying to push for an Annele lynch, it literally makes no sense since there's almost no chance both him and shock are town.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298967#msg1298967
« Reply #1893 on: June 07, 2020, 12:58:54 pm »
Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
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Voting before I go to bed. I still think rob's the more likely mafia of the two (shock and rob).
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298968#msg1298968
« Reply #1894 on: June 07, 2020, 02:41:39 pm »
Then we would probably flip some PoE people. Timpa Cali Geo all come to mind

Why are you trivialising this end game so much? How the hell going by PoE randomly a good strategy at this point in the game? I believe you are town, I don't think a kdz/ian w/w thunderdome happened, but this seems like such a bad plan.


You misunderstood the point of the post, this was meant to highlight that I wouldn't really know where to start with a Shock/Annele team aside from digging into the that group.

Ge0metry v1.2 (2) - kaempfer13, rob77dp
rob77dp (3) - shockcannon, MasterWalks, Calindu

Voting rob for now, I semi-believe andre's claim and that means that one of rob/shock made serprex Immortal. Not sure why rob keeps trying to push for an Annele lynch, it literally makes no sense since there's almost no chance both him and shock are town.

So this is actually a strat I use all the time in person. It looks like its a line directed at the attacker, but its really for everyone else. You assure everyone you think your attacker is town, it makes you look like a peaceful dude and makes your attacker appear doubly aggressive. Then, later on you casually deflect onto someone else. I do something like that all the time as both mafia and town.

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1298969#msg1298969
« Reply #1895 on: June 07, 2020, 02:42:54 pm »
anyway I woke up and my gut felt right

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If this is a ruse you got me shock, plain and simple. Thats all I can really say.

 

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