Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[killsdazombies]

It says regardless of priority, not regardless of untargetable. It would still have been blocked if ian had used seraph

[killsdazombies]

MW - I feel like you've posted some in a way that you believe you cannot predict shock but that you have a feel for just what lengths he'll go to in a game ---- thoughts about this, above??

you cant predict shock no, but i think i can read him sometimes.
Shock will do anything that he can use to call you a noob, even if it doesnt make sense

Here is what i honestly think.
Shock did roll something and targeted kae N1 with it.
Now whether or not kae is town or scum i dont know. i still really lean scum because his Vulture plan makes 0 sense, especially coming from someone giving me crap about not knowing how roles work.
Shock i think is actually maf. He is not nearly as active-helpful-disruptive as he has been in any previous mafia i have played with him, and hes been town each time.
I feel to an outsider, shock comes off as scummy town no matter what, but the fact he is acting differently at all AND HE DIDNT get yelled at by a mod is sus for him.
I think he used the "GN" on kae is town thing not to save kae but to make himself less sus. I am willing to bet he wouldnt have said anything if i didnt say i knew he targeted him.

This can all be debunked by pointing out he has been protecting kae since the first day (unless they are both scum).

I am still voting on kdz because he did target iancu and didnt come clean about it 

On mobile so you get a whole ass block of quote. The last sentence both confirms ian is lying about seraph and that I targeted ian.

[rob77dp]

Sub what are you dancing around about again... you're the only one without your vote somewhere. This caused undue problems and NL on Day 1, and was mildly bothersome on Day 2 --- what are you up to on that??

[kaempfer13]

Dragonfly can view (attempted) actions involving immaterial targets

[killsdazombies]

Dragonfly can view (attempted) actions involving immaterial targets

But doesn't dragonfly have to actually succeed in its targeting? It thought that meant if someone was mind flayed and had their ability stopped it would still be detected.

[serprex]

Oa, please confirm yes/no:

1. Dragonfly targetting a Seraph using Divine Shield detects failed attempts to target
2. Dragonfly targetting a Seraph using Divine Shield detects successful attempts to target

[PlayerOa]

Thing is, Dragonfly cannot target an immaterial player.

What it can do, however, is viewing an immaterial player. Like, if Dragonfly targeted someone who targeted the immaterial, the Dragonfly can see who his target (tried) to visit.

Clear?

Aka, 1 is correct

[serprex]

Clear. MW targetted kdz. Cool

[rob77dp]

At the risk of irritating iancu here...

It sure feels like kdz is the one being honest and is flowing through EOD still and that ian has frozen a bit unsure how to react and keep moving in these developments. Just what I'm seeing/thinking at the moment. These wagons though, not sure if kdz taking off like that is scum being caught so teammates eager to pile on for cred or if scum feeling they have a reasonable alibi to vote on kdz given the counter-claims seeming feasibility for the time being........

[killsdazombies]

Clear. MW targetted kdz. Cool

Or, what is FAR more likely given MW asked who targeted IAN is that ian ISNT seraph, and ISNT immaterial, so both dragonfly and my precog went off

[rob77dp]

Clear. MW targetted kdz. Cool

I'm too busy trying to do work and be at EOD to scour over role descriptions etc, and since conf!town you was on the case ---- what can you report? MW is lying ITT claiming to target ian having actually targeted kdz?? And also MW is currently voting on ian with kdz? Why does this not seem to make sense.

[serprex]

We vote whomever MW targetted