Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[rob77dp]

If ian is the mafia in this thunderdome (of sorts) then MW looks pretty sus to me.

[iancudorinmarian]

I never breadcrumbed my role because I didn't have to. Having said that, I have made the following claims:
- my role is not an information role
- I am not Anubis
- I am not immaterial

All of those, while not hinting directly at Seraph, are the best I could come up with without directly revealing my role or making it too obvious. The best I could hope for with my ability is absorb a random NK.

Vulture claim is so easy to fake it's not even funny. Literally anyone in the game with an unrevealed role could've claimed vulture GN. Heck, even I could've fake claimed that.

[killsdazombies]

I ask you to find one contribution ian has made that gives them town cred, and i'll concede lynching me first for the greater good

[iancudorinmarian]

kdz, I suggest you take a better look at my posts. I provided a full readlist once I had enough information and I've been defending rob and pushing for Annele for basically the entire game.

[iancudorinmarian]

Maybe we'd even have a mafia down by now if people would stop going crazy at EoD.

[iancudorinmarian]

And one last thing, "iancu would have some grandplan by now" is one of the worst possible things to use against me. This is basically the same thing that forces kae to do lynchlogs. I had one great game where I was basically the planner at the end and now it's expected of me in every game.

[killsdazombies]

No no, rob is expecting ANYTHING from you, because you contributed 1 read list that had nothing on it. It was just n+ - n- stating things we already knew. The only real dif was you put kae at W. But I'm not here to appeal to you ian

[rob77dp]

This is actually a very juicy thunderdome, I take my "of sorts" qualifier a minute ago.

I can see merit in both sides, I can see possibility of truth and lie on both sides... This is almost almost almost so close to certainly a v/w or w/v situation as to not find value, in my book, to play it any other way. In which case I would agree that today's lynch needs to be b/t ian and kdz.

If kdz is the mafia here, then I guess his angle is having to get heat off himself? Or was there another likely lynch that could be scum with a better "role" that kdz would pick this manuever to have a shot of surviving himself (50/50 in a 1-v-1) and always saving whoever the "other" stronger scum role was/is....?

If ian is the mafia here, well... hmmmm, he is mostly playing defense on this so far as kdz instigated.

All points kdz lays out about how he approached the vulture role, the targets, the planned bluff, the change in plans today, etc. jives on the face of it. I just am not so sure about it not being easily faked (a point from ian's defense) but again kdz does appear to have come out of the gate strong on ian this day phase from the get go. Urgh.

[rob77dp]

iancu- you're OK in the grand scheme not playing the same way every time... I get it. I do. It was just something I noticed from past mafia(s) wehre I remember you dumping info at some point. If you're Seraph sure makes sense - NO WAY for Seraph to garner inside info. But as Seraph did you ever think to do something in a Night PHase to try to draw a NK to save a town death? I know that was my first thought when I rolled Seraph last night from Egg. How about that angle?

[rob77dp]

Which one? Annele or kae or Cal? Specifically one, in your view or just at least one? This is interesting that as part of your defense/discourse you venture into this territory. I'd like to further discuss with you on it ian.

Maybe we'd even have a mafia down by now if people would stop going crazy at EoD.

[iancudorinmarian]

Trying to mindgame into getting NK'd never works, as proven by TorB's death. It was more likely to get NK'd in the fear of me having a powerful role I'm hiding rather than trying to bait the NK.

And about the argument that "kdz went for me from the start of the day", take a look at serp's posts, for instance. He was pretty much on the chopping block, so it's not like he was all safe and randomly went for the risky play.

[iancudorinmarian]

Which one? Annele or kae or Cal? Specifically one, in your view or just at least one? This is interesting that as part of your defense/discourse you venture into this territory. I'd like to further discuss with you on it ian.

Maybe we'd even have a mafia down by now if people would stop going crazy at EoD.

I meant Annele here, or even Ge0, as he was also an option before the madness.